Shooting in China

[Adron]

Nope, we're talkin about a country that has megatons of weapons & civilians that because they live in a communist country have few arms & could only try to do somethiing by mass boycotting

The only communist countries around at this time is Cuba and North Korea, and North Korea has megatons of weapons. The USA does not have the guts to attack North Korea.

[MyndFyre]

Nope, we're talkin about a country that has megatons of weapons & civilians that because they live in a communist country have few arms & could only try to do somethiing by mass boycotting

The only communist countries around at this time is Cuba and North Korea, and North Korea has megatons of weapons. The USA does not have the guts to attack North Korea.

It's not about guts.  It's about knowing what will happen if we did.  It would be disastrous for us as well as for other countries in the region (I'm thinking South Korea).

[CrAz3D]

Nope, we're talkin about a country that has megatons of weapons & civilians that because they live in a communist country have few arms & could only try to do somethiing by mass boycotting

The only communist countries around at this time is Cuba and North Korea, and North Korea has megatons of weapons. The USA does not have the guts to attack North Korea.

Fine, you attack N Korea w/your fish or pot, whatever the hell it is you have over there.  See who has balls then.  The Koreans will nuke you & your fish into toastly radio active fish sticks faster than you could cast a fly line.

[Adron]

Oh, I never said I would want to attack North Korea. I just said you don't have the guts to. You know you'd be in a world of hurt.



Note btw what this is in comment to:

because they live in a communist country have few arms

[CrAz3D]

I fwe attack N Korea the WORLD would be in a world of hurt.  It'd be a nuclear holocaust, we'd all die.

[Adron]

I fwe attack N Korea the WORLD would be in a world of hurt.  It'd be a nuclear holocaust, we'd all die.

Well, maybe. Anyway, the point of this all is that you are quite wrong. Communist countries can be very well armed.

[CrAz3D]

Communist states can be, the people wouldn't be

[iago]

Again, I ask, which countries besides the US allow their citizens to carry handguns?  It'd be more useful to analyze how other countries with armed civilians behave than blind speculations about communists not having guns. 

[Grok]

iago while I respect your intentions, the question should be reworded:

What people other than Americans retain the right to own guns for themselves and specifically prohibit the government from managing this right?

Our government is empowered by the citizens, our ruling is self rule, and thus we decide and enumerate what our rights are, what states rights are, and what limited rights we give up to the government.

The country does not allow or disallow its citizens to do anything in the US.  All that power comes from the citizens.

[CrAz3D]

So far it looks like Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, & Israel so far.

EDIT:
"Israel, which has an even higher gun ownership rate than the USA, has a murder rate which is 40% below ours in Canada."
Excerpt from some canadian online journal.

[iago]

The country does not allow or disallow its citizens to do anything in the US.  All that power comes from the citizens.

Maybe that's how it's supposed to be, but that's definitely not how it is. 

So far it looks like Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, & Israel so far.

EDIT:
"Israel, which has an even higher gun ownership rate than the USA, has a murder rate which is 40% below ours in Canada."
Excerpt from some canadian online journal.

That's an interesting mix of countries.  Not citing your direct source of a fact doesn't give the statement a lot of weight, but a major difference between Israel and Canada is how the government works.  It should be noted that all the murders here that I'm aware of tend to be beatings (fist, ground, bat), I'm not aware of any gun deaths, and is it almost always Natives who do the killings, so gun control means less people are shot, but of course people are still murdered. 

[Grok]

So far it looks like Switzerland, New Zealand, Finland, & Israel so far.

EDIT:
"Israel, which has an even higher gun ownership rate than the USA, has a murder rate which is 40% below ours in Canada."
Excerpt from some canadian online journal.

That's an interesting mix of countries.  Not citing your direct source of a fact doesn't give the statement a lot of weight

So just ask him to cite the source, don't beat him up over it, you might kill him.

[iago]

So just ask him to cite the source, don't beat him up over it, you might kill him.

Well, I was trying to explain why it's necessary.  The rest of the post is based on the assumption that was it was a valid source, so

[CrAz3D]

http://www.quebecoislibre.org/990828-6.htm
Pretty biased lookin site so I'll try to find something else

EDIT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_murder
hmm, Canada's population is 5 times that of Israel while Israel's murder count is 3 times lower, I guess in reality Canada's murder rate is slightly lower?

[iago]

http://www.quebecoislibre.org/990828-6.htm
Pretty biased lookin site so I'll try to find something else

haha, yeah, people who want to separate from the country probably aren't the best to listen to

EDIT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempted_murder
hmm, Canada's population is 5 times that of Israel while Israel's murder count is 3 times lower, I guess in reality Canada's murder rate is slightly lower?

"About one in three Canadian murders are committed by a family member. One in eight is gang related. About 80% of murderers in Canada are caught within a year"

"[In the US] almost half of murders are committed by a narrow social group of black males age 17 to 50 (constituting less than 3% of general US population)"

Those are very interesting statistics.  I wish that page had statistics that correlate with each other more, though. 

I should also say that Wikipedia isn't the best source to cite either.  *edits the page to prove that I'm right*