Shooting in China

[Grok]

With the recent massacre in China where police killed at least 10 protestors and wounded at least 20 others, it is beginning to look like China will become the world's next free country.  They cannot keep this up for much longer before the people overthrow the government and install a government "of the people", like the United States of America used to have long ago.

I hope this conversion happens sooner than later, so there will be one free place in the world to live.

[hismajesty]

So, Grok intends on moving to China?

[iago]

I wonder in what way the US will decide to interfere....

[Banana fanna fo fanna]

I wonder in what way the US will decide to interfere....

Or if Canada decides to...oh wait...

Another free country in the world is always a good thing.

[iago]

I wonder in what way the US will decide to interfere....

Or if Canada decides to...oh wait...

Another free country in the world is always a good thing.

You're absolutely correct.  I may make it the goal of my life to free the US. 

[Warrior]

That's why when I rule the world the first country I invade will be Canada. I will annex it into the united states.

[iago]

That's why when I rule the world the first country I invade will be Canada. I will annex it into the united states.

Oh great, then we can be oppressed like you guys?

[CrAz3D]

Canada is a funny country.  Got their full independence in what, 1982?...then they just voted out their president 2? weeks ago?  More government contl there than here in their socialistic way of life.  I think Canada needs to be freed.

[Zorm]

Freeing Canada is a horrible idea. It might mean we have to put up with more snobby Canadians who think they're something special.

[iago]

Canada is a funny country.  Got their full independence in what, 1982?...then they just voted out their president 2? weeks ago?  More government contl there than here in their socialistic way of life.  I think Canada needs to be freed.

Wow, I knew that Americans were ignorant, but that takes the cake. 

We became an independant country in 1870.  We still have strong ties to our mother country, because we didn't drive them out. 

We don't have a president. 

And I don't know what you mean by voting out our president.  Our prime minister retired 1 year and 364 days ago (if I was replying tomorrow, it would be 2 years exactly.. damnit), is that what you're talking about?

We have the freedom to download music, smoke marijuana (for the most part), and swear on TV.  How can you possibly call a country free that doesn't let their citizens use certain words?  That seems like a ridiculous way to oppress people. 

Yes, we aren't allowed handguns.  But we can argue about that issue till you're blue in the face, but the fact remains that I feel much safer walking down the street here than I would in the US.  I don't know anybody here who owns a gun, and I don't know of anybody in my city who's been killed by a gun (besides criminals, by police). 

We have a lot more social programs and health care here.  What that means is there are less poor people, less people suffering, and if somebody is sick they can actually get help.  Is that a lack of freedom?  I don't think so.  But that's why we're called socialist, in case you were just using the word as a replacement for communist.  Would you please elaborate, or is this one of your empty arguments?  (See, ad hominem attacks work both ways, don't use them, they prove nothing)

I'm not really sure what you mean, though, it seems like here in Canada we have a lot more freedoms than in the US. 


<edit> One more thing I forgot, around here you can talk about the government without being called a "liberal pussy" or "republican asshole" or "communist".  It's amazing how far stereotypes go in the US to help citizens oppress each others' freedoms. 

[CrAz3D]

Canada became a fully soverign nation in 1982 under the Constitution Act or w/e.  The canadian parliament? removed your prime minister (i guess not president,yeah) w/a vote of no confidence like a month ago

[topaz]

We have the freedom to download music, smoke marijuana (for the most part), and swear on TV. How can you possibly call a country free that doesn't let their citizens use certain words? That seems like a ridiculous way to oppress people.

We have a lot more social programs and health care here. What that means is there are less poor people, less people suffering, and if somebody is sick they can actually get help. Is that a lack of freedom? I don't think so. But that's why we're called socialist, in case you were just using the word as a replacement for communist. Would you please elaborate, or is this one of your empty arguments? (See, ad hominem attacks work both ways, don't use them, they prove nothing)

Freedom to download music? You mean, the right to rip off record companies?

Your health care programs certainly are good, but Canada is in no way the same size as the US, and, as such, fewer people to service. There are always shortages and poor people in a superpower country, it's a given. Even if you're sick in the US, you can still get help; you just get piled with medical bills. There's little doubt in my mind that the same tune applies in Canada.

[Grok]

That's not freedom, because if you can't pay those bills you eventually get jailed.  Sick -> Medical Care -> Bills -> Unable to Pay -> Jail.

[iago]

Canada became a fully soverign nation in 1982 under the Constitution Act or w/e.  The canadian parliament? removed your prime minister (i guess not president,yeah) w/a vote of no confidence like a month ago

We were a free nation before that, with our own government.  And I don't remember our Prime Minister being removed, Paul Martin is still in power, and has been for exactly 1 year (in 2 hours). 

Freedom to download music? You mean, the right to rip off record companies?

Your health care programs certainly are good, but Canada is in no way the same size as the US, and, as such, fewer people to service. There are always shortages and poor people in a superpower country, it's a given. Even if you're sick in the US, you can still get help; you just get piled with medical bills. There's little doubt in my mind that the same tune applies in Canada.

A Canadian judge ruled that downloading music isn't illegal.  Which I think is fine, I'd rather download music from a CD before buying it, or download a cd from a band before buying their other CDs.  And I frequently do that. 

In Canada, there aren't any medical bills.  Any operations, examinations, etc. are free for Canadian citizens. 

That's not freedom, because if you can't pay those bills you eventually get jailed.  Sick -> Medical Care -> Bills -> Unable to Pay -> Jail.

There are social programs for people in that situation.  My aunt is permenantly disabled, and she survives fine on the income she is given.  Plus, she is allowed to make a certain amount of money a year on her own, so she helps people prepare income tax.  She survives fine. 

[Zorm]

Wow, I knew that Americans were ignorant, but that takes the cake. 

We became an independant country in 1870.  We still have strong ties to our mother country, because we didn't drive them out. 

We don't have a president. 

And I don't know what you mean by voting out our president.  Our prime minister retired 1 year and 364 days ago (if I was replying tomorrow, it would be 2 years exactly.. damnit), is that what you're talking about?

We have the freedom to download music, smoke marijuana (for the most part), and swear on TV.  How can you possibly call a country free that doesn't let their citizens use certain words?  That seems like a ridiculous way to oppress people. 

Yes, we aren't allowed handguns.  But we can argue about that issue till you're blue in the face, but the fact remains that I feel much safer walking down the street here than I would in the US.  I don't know anybody here who owns a gun, and I don't know of anybody in my city who's been killed by a gun (besides criminals, by police). 

We have a lot more social programs and health care here.  What that means is there are less poor people, less people suffering, and if somebody is sick they can actually get help.  Is that a lack of freedom?  I don't think so.  But that's why we're called socialist, in case you were just using the word as a replacement for communist.  Would you please elaborate, or is this one of your empty arguments?  (See, ad hominem attacks work both ways, don't use them, they prove nothing)

I'm not really sure what you mean, though, it seems like here in Canada we have a lot more freedoms than in the US. 


<edit> One more thing I forgot, around here you can talk about the government without being called a "liberal pussy" or "republican asshole" or "communist".  It's amazing how far stereotypes go in the US to help citizens oppress each others' freedoms. 

Way to go, you have the ability to steal from what I suspect are mostly American music artists. That must make you damn proud to be a Canadian. It will be interesting to see how well Canadas social welfare programs scale as the population increases. With about 33 million people now I'd be surprised if they even make it to the 300 million that is the population of the US. I suspect you'll find that as Canada grows the rich corporations and people will move elsewhere so they don't have to pay for the social welfare programs.

And of course people in Canada aren't called "liberal pussy" or "republican asshole", afterall everyone there is a fucking pansy.