How does this happen?

[CrAz3D]

I think most criminals get off on some technicality

[Adron]

"Before Carlie's death, Smith had been arrested at least 13 times since 1993, mostly on drug offenses, although he was twice charged with committing violence against women."

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I hope some of you understand that protecting society is a far better cause than saving a criminal.

Yes, some day Invert, you really need to understand the priorities. This man has been arrested and punished or freed 13 times, but punishment leads nowhere, he comes right back out and keeps going. And eventually, because he never was rehabilitated, he killed a poor girl.

Punishment does not work.


This man actually belongs to a specific class of offenders too:

... he talked of being on drugs while committing the crimes.

Being on drugs, punishments might not seem like as big a worry. Or he might think he will be able to get away with his crimes. This tells us how important it is to remove drugs from society.

[iago]

Maybe all Jeffrey Dahmers and Ted Kaczynskis and Scott Petersons should go and get themselves a better lower and be found not guilty? How many more exceptions do you want me to list?

Let's see, you have how many people in your country? 200,000,000, maybe?  and you've named 3 exceptions.  That's approximately 0% of the population.  The fact that ~0% of the population can't be rehabilitated means what, exactly?

[CrAz3D]

Maybe all Jeffrey Dahmers and Ted Kaczynskis and Scott Petersons should go and get themselves a better lower and be found not guilty? How many more exceptions do you want me to list?

Let's see, you have how many people in your country? 200,000,000, maybe?  and you've named 3 exceptions.  That's approximately 0% of the population.  The fact that ~0% of the population can't be rehabilitated means what, exactly?

I'd like to see a list of criminals that have been rehabilitated.  I'll make it easy too.  I'd only like to see the names from the last 75 years.

[iago]

Maybe all Jeffrey Dahmers and Ted Kaczynskis and Scott Petersons should go and get themselves a better lower and be found not guilty? How many more exceptions do you want me to list?

Let's see, you have how many people in your country? 200,000,000, maybe?  and you've named 3 exceptions.  That's approximately 0% of the population.  The fact that ~0% of the population can't be rehabilitated means what, exactly?

I'd like to see a list of criminals that have been rehabilitated.  I'll make it easy too.  I'd only like to see the names from the last 75 years.

I don't know where to get the information.  And it depends on how you define rehabilitated, really. 

But if jail is meant as a deterrant, then everybody who has never been to jail should count for something

[Adron]

Just look at everyone who has been arrested at any time and is not currently arrested for those who have been rehabilitated....

[dxoigmn]

I'd like to see a list of criminals that have been rehabilitated.  I'll make it easy too.  I'd only like to see the names from the last 75 years.

I know some people who went to jail for Alcohol/Drug related charges and because they sobered up in jail they stopped drinking and doing drugs all together. Surely someone sent to jail for drug charges (i.e. posession) is not a threat to society. So how come they are jailed? For their own protection and rehabilitation.

[CrAz3D]

hmm, its had to expression emoition while posintg.
Anyways, I was trying to be sarcastic towards iago when he said Invert only gave 3 examples of criminals that need to die (IMO).  Just trying to prove a point, I don't expect anyone to find all of those people/

[Arta]

I think most criminals get off on some technicality

Balderdash. Evidence please.

[Arta]

So you are saying we should have more cases like OJ Simpson's case. He had the best lawyers that got him off the hook after he murdered 2 people and murderers should all have their sentences reduced?

Maybe all Jeffrey Dahmers and Ted Kaczynskis and Scott Petersons should go and get themselves a better lower and be found not guilty? How many more exceptions do you want me to list?

It is more important to ensure that innocent people are not convicted than to ensure that every potentially guilty person is imprisoned. I agree it's terrible that some guilty people get off on technicalities, or by having enough money for uberlawyers, but we have to accept that the mechanisms that allow that to happen also protect the innocent. We mustn't give that up.

[CrAz3D]

I think most criminals get off on some technicality

Balderdash. Evidence please.

This is interestingly hard to do...I'll keep @ it though.

[iago]

Well, in Canada, unless there's some extreme circumstance (like, killing somebody in jail), you'll never serve more than 75% of your sentence.  My uncle has been a warden for the last 30 years, and he explained that to me.  In his words, "As soon as you walk through the door, bang, 25% of your setence is gone"

That is, in a way, evidence of what Craz3d was saying.  They don't get off completely, but nobody serves more than 75% of their sentence. 

[CrAz3D]

Well, in Canada, unless there's some extreme circumstance (like, killing somebody in jail), you'll never serve more than 75% of your sentence.  My uncle has been a warden for the last 30 years, and he explained that to me.  In his words, "As soon as you walk through the door, bang, 25% of your setence is gone"

That is, in a way, evidence of what Craz3d was saying.  They don't get off completely, but nobody serves more than 75% of their sentence. 

dude killed a dog here yesterday night.  He was a construction worker & got fired so be broke into a house they were working on.  There was a dog, he hung the dog w/electrical wire.  That man is scum, you hand me a gun I would shoot that man.

There was a woman shot in El Paso today.  Her killer should be killed as well, however, I dont feel as emoitional when thinking about her murder.

[Explicit]

Well, in Canada, unless there's some extreme circumstance (like, killing somebody in jail), you'll never serve more than 75% of your sentence. My uncle has been a warden for the last 30 years, and he explained that to me. In his words, "As soon as you walk through the door, bang, 25% of your setence is gone"

That is, in a way, evidence of what Craz3d was saying. They don't get off completely, but nobody serves more than 75% of their sentence.

dude killed a dog here yesterday night. He was a construction worker & got fired so be broke into a house they were working on. There was a dog, he hung the dog w/electrical wire. That man is scum, you hand me a gun I would shoot that man.

There was a woman shot in El Paso today. Her killer should be killed as well, however, I dont feel as emoitional when thinking about her murder.

For the ex-construction worker and dog, the dog cannot decide for itself what's right or wrong, while the construction worker, who was acting out of blind rage, can. You probably find yourself less apathetic toward the woman because a dog acts by instinct, and in terms of how we judge right from wrong, is unable to make those types of judgements for itself. Because of that, I believe they are innocent. More or less, the man who murdered the woman probably had incentive to. I'm just assuming though, which I know is bad.

[Adron]

Killing a dog isn't so bad? I hear lots of people kill animals often.