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Started by Invert, November 10, 2005, 03:11 PM

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Quote from: Adron on November 20, 2005, 08:18 PM
In a way, it does. Animals whose meat is hardly useful, maybe only to cook soup, may not be that great to eat. On the other hand, an animal with fine, tender meat, that can be cooked in any way and still taste great, would make a great meat animal.

Well, I didnt' mean adaptable to being put into soup, I don't think that was the context anyway :)

But when you think about it, it is a long term adaptation. Animals whose meat do not taste well survive in the wild until we cut down their forests. Animals whose meat is great are domesticated and bred and multiply. It is evolution...


Haha, that's funny in a way, but true, too. I don't think evolution ever intended good tasting animals to be bred in captivity though ;)

Nor any animal for that matter. :)
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Because animals aren't meant to be held in captivity.  How would you feel if you were bred to serve one purpose, being to feed others?
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Isn't about "how would we feel", we don't. We are higher on the foodchain so we eat them.
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Quote from: iago on November 22, 2005, 10:44 AM
Quote from: Adron on November 21, 2005, 02:31 AM
But when you think about it, it is a long term adaptation. Animals whose meat do not taste well survive in the wild until we cut down their forests. Animals whose meat is great are domesticated and bred and multiply. It is evolution...

Haha, that's funny in a way, but true, too.  I don't think evolution ever intended good tasting animals to be bred in captivity though ;)

Evolution never had any intentions. It is blind. Evolution is not an Intelligent Designer...


iago

Quote from: Adron on November 22, 2005, 11:10 PM
Quote from: iago on November 22, 2005, 10:44 AM
Quote from: Adron on November 21, 2005, 02:31 AM
But when you think about it, it is a long term adaptation. Animals whose meat do not taste well survive in the wild until we cut down their forests. Animals whose meat is great are domesticated and bred and multiply. It is evolution...

Haha, that's funny in a way, but true, too.  I don't think evolution ever intended good tasting animals to be bred in captivity though ;)

Evolution never had any intentions. It is blind. Evolution is not an Intelligent Designer...


Using the word "intented" was a figure of speech.  What I meant was that I'm pretty sure that natural selection/evolution doesn't prepare animals to be bred in captivity.
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
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Evolution is just change.  We changed the purpose of those animals.
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Adron

Quote from: iago on November 22, 2005, 11:11 PM
Quote from: Adron on November 22, 2005, 11:10 PM
Evolution never had any intentions. It is blind. Evolution is not an Intelligent Designer...

Using the word "intented" was a figure of speech.  What I meant was that I'm pretty sure that natural selection/evolution doesn't prepare animals to be bred in captivity.

It does not *prepare* animals for anything, but it does shape them to better suit their role... Natural selection/evolution works all the time, all around. Domesticated animals have been shaped to fit better in with humans over a long period of time.

iago

Quote from: Adron on November 23, 2005, 02:43 AM
Quote from: iago on November 22, 2005, 11:11 PM
Quote from: Adron on November 22, 2005, 11:10 PM
Evolution never had any intentions. It is blind. Evolution is not an Intelligent Designer...

Using the word "intented" was a figure of speech.  What I meant was that I'm pretty sure that natural selection/evolution doesn't prepare animals to be bred in captivity.

It does not *prepare* animals for anything, but it does shape them to better suit their role... Natural selection/evolution works all the time, all around. Domesticated animals have been shaped to fit better in with humans over a long period of time.


The animals tasted good before they were ever domesticated.  As you said,

Quote from: Adron on November 21, 2005, 02:31 AM
But when you think about it, it is a long term adaptation. Animals whose meat do not taste well survive in the wild until we cut down their forests. Animals whose meat is great are domesticated and bred and multiply. It is evolution...
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
QuoteX5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*


Adron

Quote from: iago on November 23, 2005, 07:16 AM
The animals tasted good before they were ever domesticated.  As you said,

Yes, so what evolution has done is make animals with tasty meat. That is how evolution always works - selecting one of multiple alternatives. Tasty meat is a property that helps increase survivability. So is cute looks. Or in some cases, scary looks (flies that look like bees!).

iago

Quote from: Adron on November 23, 2005, 08:00 AM
Quote from: iago on November 23, 2005, 07:16 AM
The animals tasted good before they were ever domesticated.  As you said,

Yes, so what evolution has done is make animals with tasty meat. That is how evolution always works - selecting one of multiple alternatives. Tasty meat is a property that helps increase survivability. So is cute looks. Or in some cases, scary looks (flies that look like bees!).

Bees aren't scary.

But anyway, I'm not sure how "tasty meat" would promote survivability unless animals were being bread by another animals.  And that seems like something so unnatural that it wouldn't even become an evolutionary alternative. 

But apparently, nature DID select it. 

Does that mean that breeding animals in captivity is natural?  It's part of what is supposed to happen?  If we STOPPED breeding cattle, that would be going against nature (even God)?

Based on that, I think that vegetarians should re-evaluate why they don't eat meat.  It's perfectly natural to breed animals in captivity, apparently!
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
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Quote from: iago on November 24, 2005, 11:09 AM
Based on that, I think that vegetarians should re-evaluate why they don't eat meat.  It's perfectly natural to breed animals in captivity, apparently!
I think we should teach them a lesson and start eating vegetarians. How dare they go against the will of god.

Adron

Quote from: iago on November 24, 2005, 11:09 AM
But anyway, I'm not sure how "tasty meat" would promote survivability unless animals were being bread by another animals.  And that seems like something so unnatural that it wouldn't even become an evolutionary alternative. 

Maybe consider it as species living in symbiosis...

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