God, Pledge, WTF

[Topaz]

It doesn't sound quite right without "Under God": breaks the flow.

[Grok]

Seems to me "under God" breaks the flow.  Every time I've ever heard it said, speaker pauses at "under God" then continues.  How can that NOT be considered breaking the flow?

[CrAz3D]

People pause after 'one nation' when they shouldn't.

It should be "one nation under God"...

I think it flows fine either way

[Soul Taker]

lOne nation, under God, indivisiblel has much less flow than lOne nation indivisblel if you ask me.

[CrAz3D]

It goes....

One nation under god, indivisible (you had an extra comma)

[Soul Taker]

I've never heard it without a pause before 'under God'.

[Blaze]

Having a pledge in general seems silly to me.

[Joe[x86]]

Having a pledge in general seems silly to me.

Bingo Batman!

Another thing, what about the people who have the misfortune of living in the United States (I'd much rather be in Canada), and hate our country, specifically our leader? It also infringes upon our freedom of speach too, if we're forced to say it.

[CrAz3D]

Ok, if you think you have the "misfortune of living" in this country GET THE FUCJ OUT!  I hate people that hate America.  You can hate the government/leaders but if you hate America you are the reason that America is falling.

[Explicit]

Ok, if you think you have the "misfortune of living" in this country GET THE FUCJ OUT! I hate people that hate America. You can hate the government/leaders but if you hate America you are the reason that America is falling.

You can't prove that.

[Soul Taker]

Ok, if you think you have the "misfortune of living" in this country GET THE FUCJ OUT!  I hate people that hate America.  You can hate the government/leaders but if you hate America you are the reason that America is falling.

I wish the country's leaders had taken that stance about the people being oppressed in Iraq, and just told them to get out on their own.

[hismajesty]

Joe, you're young and a not very well informed, so I'll cut you some slack. But, beleive me, once you have the freedoms and lifestyle you're accustomed to in America taken away you'll realize how lucky you are. There are tons of people in other countries that would give anything to live here, and they're honestly risking their lives to get here. I feel very fortunate to live and truely beleive that we are much better off/lucky than those in other countries.

Canada, of course, isn't as extreme of an example of those countries and I don't think it'd be too much different from the US there. But places like in eastern Europe and Russia and especially the middle east - they've got it pretty harsh.

Another thing you probably would have a hard time adjusting too - the lack of stuff. America has a surplus of goods on our stores, people come here from other countries and are literally blown away by the stuff even in our grocery stores. You have to remember that a lot of other countries don't have super markets, or a walmart and stuff like that. If you want grocerys you go to a small building, similar to the old-time drug stores, you tell a person what you want and he'll bring it up front for you. You don't have tons of options or brands or flavors, you have 1 or 2. (Of course, again, some countries are better off than others with this sort of thing.)

Plus, furthermore, it's not an infringement on freedom of speech - IT'S OPTIONAL. Read the rest of the thread before you try to debate something.

[Explicit]

As hismajesty said, Joe, you'll recognize the freedoms more as you get older, and eventually come to appreciate them. I'd suggest building self-awareness of the world around you, and in doing so, you'll build character.

[Adron]

Poor those people who live in the USA. They should move to a country where they can have freedom of thought, not just freedom of capitalism/money.

[hismajesty]

Poor those people who live in the USA. They should move to a country where they can have freedom of thought, not just freedom of capitalism/money.

We have freedom of thought, definitely. Especially thoughts of political criticism, probably moreso than is allowed anywhere else in the world. We're too caught up on being "politically correct" that the government never just says "shut the hell up and leave" which I wish they would.