Israel v Palestine

effect · March 23, 2004, 05:06 PM

I was thinking about this a little bit at work today , about all the current events , and the most current one of all , the Assination of the "Hamas" founder/spiritual leader. This is a wide discussion open to debate , and im aware that this is a touchey subject , and i do not wish to offend anyone , i just want to here differing oppionions.

What do you think?

I believe Yoni is from Israel , so im very eager to here what he has to say.

P.S Moderators if this isnt the right forum , then feel free to move me

Adron · March 23, 2004, 05:18 PM

Well, Israel uses terrorist methods to strike fear into the palestinians, so it's a terrorist state. Unfortunately, not all terrorist states are treated equally.

effect · March 23, 2004, 05:29 PM

Ding Ding

Yoni · March 23, 2004, 05:33 PM

I was so saddened to hear he was assassinated. He was the only funny person in the head of the Palestinian terrorist organizations.

Reminds me of when Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf disappeared... I felt the same then.

effect · March 23, 2004, 05:34 PM

"Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf disappeared" , enlighten me Yoni

dxoigmn · March 23, 2004, 05:37 PM

Quote from: NuLL on March 23, 2004, 05:34 PM
"Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf disappeared" , enlighten me Yoni

He is the Iraqi Minister of Information. Baghdad Bob as some called him.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

effect · March 23, 2004, 05:42 PM

ah yes , "Baghdad Bob" , did he die? is that a fact , i was under the impresssion the little bastard ran to Syria or some other middle eastern country.

effect · March 23, 2004, 05:45 PM

Quote

He is the Iraqi Minister of Information. Baghdad Bob as some called him.

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"

"Our initial assessment is that they will all die"

"We are not afraid of the Americans. Allah has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."

3 of my favourites

Noodlez · March 23, 2004, 07:09 PM

I like it how when Israel kills one Palestinian, it makes frontpage news, when an Arab goes into the middle of public place with a bomb strapped onto the chest taking out 200+ Israelies, it make's the 4th page.

Sure, that gimp on a wheel chair couldn't escape the 5 missiles launched at him, but atleast none of them killed civilians. Arabs simply hate all Israelies. Israelies only hate the ones who cause trouble (all of The Hammas). As well as anyone willing to strap a bomb to their chest and take a bus full of school kids out.

MyndFyre · March 23, 2004, 07:17 PM

Quote from: Noodlez on March 23, 2004, 07:09 PM
I like it how when Israel kills one Palestinian, it makes frontpage news, when an Arab goes into the middle of public place with a bomb strapped onto the chest taking out 200+ Israelies, it make's the 4th page.

Bravo. Of course, that's the liberal media (I hope I don't *offend* anyone here) bias. Hate America, hate Israel, hate freedom, viva socialism.

dxoigmn · March 23, 2004, 08:24 PM

Quote from: Noodlez on March 23, 2004, 07:09 PM
I like it how when Israel kills one Palestinian, it makes frontpage news, when an Arab goes into the middle of public place with a bomb strapped onto the chest taking out 200+ Israelies, it make's the 4th page.

Sure, that gimp on a wheel chair couldn't escape the 5 missiles launched at him, but atleast none of them killed civilians. Arabs simply hate all Israelies. Israelies only hate the ones who cause trouble (all of The Hammas). As well as anyone willing to strap a bomb to their chest and take a bus full of school kids out.

I'm sure if a suicide bomber killed a high ranking Israeli official, then it would make front page news. Point is, there's more to it than what you're saying.

Noodlez · March 23, 2004, 08:29 PM

The thing is, a suicide bomber never will kill a high ranking Israelie official.

Yoni · March 23, 2004, 08:53 PM

Hmm, why not?

Anyone remember the assassination of Minister "Ghandi" Ze'evi? He was murdered by a palestinian. Some palestinian terrorist organization took responsibility[1] for the assassination.

Maybe it wasn't a suicide bomber as "usual" but it was exactly the same.
This didn't happen a hundred years ago, it happened in October 2001.

Why does nobody remember this, and why didn't it make the huge impact that it should have? Because he was right-winged[2]. And that's all I have to say about that.

[1] None of you live in Israel so I'll tell you how this thing works.
Whenever there is a suicide bombing or an assassination, as soon as it's reported, one of the several palestinian terrorist organizations hurry to "take responsibility", which basically means telling the media that they did it. They take pride in their actions.
Sometimes multiple organizations claim responsibility for the same action. Obviously some or all of them are lying to gain publicity or whatever. It's pretty silly.

[2] Just an example: In all Israeli schools, we have a memorial for the day the former (*coughs* left-winged) prime minister Yitzchak Rabin was assassinated. However, there's no memorial day for former minister Ze'evi.

Zakath · March 23, 2004, 09:02 PM

Quote from: Myndfyre on March 23, 2004, 07:17 PMHate America, hate Israel, hate freedom, viva socialism.

Have you ever studied socialism? You couldn't really get more free than in a true socialist state. The concept is rather admirable. The problem, of course, lies in the fact that it's completely impossible to implement in a fair and honest fashion (numerous real-world failures attest to this).

effect · March 23, 2004, 09:18 PM

I believe the problem stems from a young age , ive seen news reports where children (Palestinian) where interviewed , and said they would glady give there lives for the "cause"

Excuse me but WTF is the "cause"

Who is to blame for that? i believe 2 key factors are at blame

(A) Parents? Like come on , last time i came home with a RPG Lanucher my mother grounded me for like 6 years? These kids on the other hand are encouraged to take up arms? why?

(B) Government? this is where the parents get it from , and they pass it on to there children and so forth. 1 big terrorist chain.