Israel v Palestine

[Tuberload]

Perhaps you'd understand more if you actually lived there?  It's hard for Americans to understand why foreigners act the way they do.  Americans are so caught up in the "us Americans are right in our ways and customs" notion to the point where what everyone else does is "wrong."

Well then, sorry for making that assumption.  But I still think you exhibit those qualities I have described from what I see in Americans.

There is a difference between having pride in your country and believing everyone else is wrong. It is amazing the US is the only country that has such a sense of national pride, and yet that makes others hate us so much. May I ask what country you live in? If it is not the US I don't see how you can make your assumptions.

Last time I checked the US was one of the most, if not the most, diverse country in the world. This leads to many different cultures and customs...

Edit: Fixed quote tags

I live in the US...in Los Angeles, California and a lot of people that I've come across are that way.  They may not consciously make that choice, but in they way they talk and carry themselves they do.  Of course, this isn't everyone in the US but a lot of Americans are this way, atleast where I am from.  I think this is a direct result of pride, since people love to twist it and use it when necessary.  Now my question, how can you say "the US is the only country that has such a sense of national pride"?

Simple, we're the only country in the world hated because how we are. We are the only country that unites as one to solve not only our problems, but the worlds. Now take that as you will, but I don't think freedom is such a bad thing to give people. Keep in mind I am not defending all the wrong we have done, but I am defending the idea our country was built on. Don't confuse pride with arrogance. Now when I say that I am not talking about the average person out there, but it's not just the US that is populated with ignorant people. Plenty of threads on this forum alone will prove that.

Now don't get me wrong, there are a lot of countries out there I like, but let's think about it. In 230 years we have made the US what it is today. What about the other countries out there that have been around for centuries?

[j0k3r]

Last time I checked the US was one of the most, if not the most, diverse country in the world. This leads to many different cultures and customs...

Welcome to Canada. My school consists of about 1/3th brown people, 4/9th asian, 4/9th white, and 1/9th black. My friend's school consists of about 1/3 asian, 1/3 white, 1/3 black. A school about an hour from us consists of 1/4 black, 1/4 asian, 1/4 white, 1/4 brown. In the town 20minutes from my house the school is about 1/2 black, 1/4 white and 1/4 brown.

I don't think you can get much more diverse than that. The same apparently goes with alberta, quebec, nova scotia and manitoba, I know who live in all those places and talk to them regularly.

[Noodlez]

My school consists of 7/8 mexicans (belive it or not, they're still called a minority, despite the fact that they consist of 52% of the California population). The rest is .25/8 Black .25/8 Asian .25/8 Armenian .25/8 White

[Grok]

Provinciality sucks, no matter who is doing it.  I suggest some of you travel before spouting that you know what America is like, or how the "rest of the world" is or thinks.

From my travels, everyone is mostly the same everywhere.

(Everyone is just looking to get drunk and get laid, and hopefully without working for it.)

[Tuberload]

Welcome to Canada. My school consists of about 1/3th brown people, 4/9th asian, 4/9th white, and 1/9th black. My friend's school consists of about 1/3 asian, 1/3 white, 1/3 black. A school about an hour from us consists of 1/4 black, 1/4 asian, 1/4 white, 1/4 brown. In the town 20minutes from my house the school is about 1/2 black, 1/4 white and 1/4 brown.

I don't think you can get much more diverse than that. The same apparently goes with alberta, quebec, nova scotia and manitoba, I know who live in all those places and talk to them regularly.

Last time I checked the US was one of the most, if not the most, diverse country in the world. This leads to many different cultures and customs...

Please look at the bold type...

I was not trying to point out how people act in other countries I was defending my nationality.

[Maddox]

70% Asian, 20% White, and 10% other at my school.

[j0k3r]

My school consists of 7/8 mexicans (belive it or not, they're still called a minority, despite the fact that they consist of 52% of the California population). The rest is .25/8 Black .25/8 Asian .25/8 Armenian .25/8 White

Ah tuberload, I thought you were implying the most.

I didn't bother with sub-cultures, the list would go on forever...

[Tuberload]

My school consists of 7/8 mexicans (belive it or not, they're still called a minority, despite the fact that they consist of 52% of the California population). The rest is .25/8 Black .25/8 Asian .25/8 Armenian .25/8 White

Ah tuberload, I thought you were implying the most.

I didn't bother with sub-cultures, the list would go on forever...

You're right, let's just forget about everyone else and just focus on the majority. Anyways that has nothing to do with the original topic.

[Dark-Feanor]

Bravo.  Of course, that's the liberal media (I hope I don't *offend* anyone here) bias.  Hate America, hate Israel, hate freedom, viva socialism.

Have you ever studied socialism? You couldn't really get more free than in a true socialist state. The concept is rather admirable. The problem, of course, lies in the fact that it's completely impossible to implement in a fair and honest fashion (numerous real-world failures attest to this).

Yes, I have studied it in-depth (a political science major I am).  Theoretically, you are correct.  However, do you see humans changing so that it will be so in practice?

I just have to point out that it is the conservative media that does this, since liberals are pro-isreal. Additionally, you are confusing Socialism with Communism. Socialism is doesnt require implementation in an entirely fare and honest way. Most of Europe today is socialist. Prime examples are Sweden, and Denmark. Socialists just won a huge election in Spain, so Spain is now a socialist country. To my knowledge, although many people dislike socialism, it has not been a failure. My view is a little biased, since I am very liberal, maybe even a socialist.

On the topic, being Jewish, I feel that killing the leader of Hamas was an excellent decision. His organization killed and continues to kill hundreds of innocent people. Think about how much we would give now to have gone back in time and assasinated Osama Bin-Laden. My best friend's father would still be alive today, along with my skyline.  

[Adron]

On the topic, being Jewish, I feel that killing the leader of Hamas was an excellent decision. His organization killed and continues to kill hundreds of innocent people. Think about how much we would give now to have gone back in time and assasinated Osama Bin-Laden. My best friend's father would still be alive today, along with my skyline.  

And murder is the answer? Do you want to think about how many palestinians would have been alive today if someone had killed Ariel Sharon earlier? Or if all jews had simply been finished off when the Nazis had the chance?

[Dark-Feanor]

I am talking about killing one person, not six million. Why does anybody have to die? It is a palestinians own fault if he decides to loose his life through suicide bombing, or being in the military, as stated in the Geneva convention (international wartime law). If the palestine would just accept one of the MANY offered fair peace settlements, then everybody would be fine. They do not want to, as dictated by their "heart, toungue, hand, sword" means of spreading the religion. Killing this one person probably saved many lives and was therefore worth it. The leader of hamas was a war criminal, guilty of genocide and deserved to die.

[Adron]

One person - six million - no big difference. We all die some time.

[Tuberload]

One person - six million - no big difference. We all die some time.

So does that mean you agree with genocide?

[Tuberload]

9/11 was a miracle of God

Just curious what people think of this.

[MyndFyre]

One person - six million - no big difference. We all die some time.

So does that mean you agree with genocide?

I think perhaps Adron just maybe might have been cynical when making that comment....