Religious Knives???

[CrAz3D]

CrAz3D, I hope you realize you blew that TOTALLY out of porportion. We have kids carrying hammers (real metal hammers, not just toys) around our school for no reason whatsoever, and they don't get in trouble. Why? Because they don't use them.

By the same logic I could carry a 9mm into class & be ok because I don't use it.
I'd LOVE to carry a 9mm to class, but I can't buy one til I'm 23? I think. That's dumb, its not like I'm going to kill anyone with it.

Would you, personally, feel safe if you knew every gang member in your school carried a gun to class?

That doesn't fit; gangs have a history of violence, but, AFAIK, Orthodox Sikh's don't.

I see alot of gang members with religious images painted on their cars/shirts...maybe they have their own underground religion, maybe they should start their own version of Catholism?
Maybe they should just follow the Sikh kids, jump them, & then use their knives.  We had a kid use a pipe in a fight at school, why use a pipe when a kid with an 8" knife walks by?

[hismajesty]

Has there ever been an incident where these knives have injured someone (excluding self defense)?

There was a time when you could ask/say the same thing about firearms.

[iago]

or just MAYBE he could enter the twenty first century & stop carry a knife designed 400+ years ago?

89% in support of carry weapons to school!?  That has got to be the most fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life!
Would your crazy town be supportive of "hallucenigenic tea" too?  What happens when a religion uses meth?  Should kids coming trippin out & steal the knives of the Sikh kids & stab the principal cause they thought he was coming to take their virginity or something?

Allowing this is just openning a Pandora's Box

The same can be said about your constitution allowing idiots to carry guns around. 

I see alot of gang members with religious images painted on their cars/shirts...maybe they have their own underground religion, maybe they should start their own version of Catholism?
Maybe they should just follow the Sikh kids, jump them, & then use their knives.  We had a kid use a pipe in a fight at school, why use a pipe when a kid with an 8" knife walks by?

Do you know how easy/hard it is to grab somebody's knife?  Is it sealed into the sheath, or loose?  Also, how sharp is it?  Do you know?  If not, how can you say that?  By your logic, should we start making it illegal to use pencils/pens/scissors in school, because they can be used to stab somebody?  I know somebody who was stabbed with a pencil such that he had to be taken to the hospital.  Is that enough to make pencils illegal in school?

Has there ever been an incident where these knives have injured someone (excluding self defense)?

There was a time when you could ask/say the same thing about firearms.

Weren't guns (handguns in particular) designed for the sole purpose of doing harm to people?  Guns don't have a religious significance, luckily, but at least if a kid wanted to bring a symbolic firearm to school it wouldn't be loaded

[MyndFyre]

Weren't guns (handguns in particular) designed for the sole purpose of doing harm to people?  Guns don't have a religious significance, luckily, but at least if a kid wanted to bring a symbolic firearm to school it wouldn't be loaded

Guns certainly have significance in US secular religion.  Does Canada celebrate a "shot heard 'round the world"?

[CrAz3D]

The Constitution provides a reason for the weapons as well.

Depends what kind of sheath, either it just slides in or slides in & has a snapbutton strap that holds it in, I assume.  Its quite easy to undone a little snap.
Also, the basic purpose of a knife is to cut, so by having a knife you are always ready to cut something.
So if you had a religious gun you ought to have it loaded, there would be no point in carry something you couldn't use to its full potential.

I believe the original purpose of all guns is to kill, I don't think it was animal (us included) specific.


This whole thing is just an example of the pussification that takes place.  People ought to be able to use reason & realize that knives aren't safe in schools because if something does happen with one of *THOSE* kids then the result could be MUCH worse than if it were just a fist fight.  Then you have a mega lawsuit

What is the "shot heard 'round the world?"

[MyndFyre]

Depends what kind of sheath, either it just slides in or slides in & has a snapbutton strap that holds it in, I assume.  Its quite easy to undone a little snap.

You know, I have two relatives in policework, both of whom carry a gun when on-duty.  They were explaining their holsters to me -- one of the holsters has four safeties.  When you get that complicated it's not "quite easy" to undo.

Also, the basic purpose of a knife is to cut, so by having a knife you are always ready to cut something.
So if you had a religious gun you ought to have it loaded, there would be no point in carry something you couldn't use to its full potential.

Um....  or, you could have it there for show, not to shoot.  Do you understand maybe why we don't give you much credibility CrAz3D?  You make retarded assumptions like that.

I believe the original purpose of all guns is to kill, I don't think it was animal (us included) specific.

Well, it's much more efficient to use a machete than an automatic to kill most plants.

This whole thing is just an example of the pussification that takes place.  People ought to be able to use reason & realize that knives aren't safe in schools because if something does happen with one of *THOSE* kids then the result could be MUCH worse than if it were just a fist fight.  Then you have a mega lawsuit

Your lne of thought isn't clear here, so I don't understand what you're arguing.  People are being pussified, but it's not okay to have knives in school?

What is the "shot heard 'round the world?"

Good god man, don't you live in the US?  http://hoover.archives.gov/exhibits/RevAmerica/3-When/Shot.html

[iago]

The Constitution provides a reason for the weapons as well.

Oh yeah?  And can you explain to me what the significance is of the knife, please?

[CrAz3D]

Depends what kind of sheath, either it just slides in or slides in & has a snapbutton strap that holds it in, I assume.  Its quite easy to undone a little snap.

You know, I have two relatives in policework, both of whom carry a gun when on-duty.  They were explaining their holsters to me -- one of the holsters has four safeties.  When you get that complicated it's not "quite easy" to undo.

I saw a security officer today, his holster had one strap over where the gun would be (we were in court so he couldn't carry).

Also, the basic purpose of a knife is to cut, so by having a knife you are always ready to cut something.
So if you had a religious gun you ought to have it loaded, there would be no point in carry something you couldn't use to its full potential.

Um....  or, you could have it there for show, not to shoot.  Do you understand maybe why we don't give you much credibility CrAz3D?  You make retarded assumptions like that.

But a knife is always ready to use, I spose that's a better point to make.

I believe the original purpose of all guns is to kill, I don't think it was animal (us included) specific.

Well, it's much more efficient to use a machete than an automatic to kill most plants.

Thats true...I believe I'm missing the point

This whole thing is just an example of the pussification that takes place.  People ought to be able to use reason & realize that knives aren't safe in schools because if something does happen with one of *THOSE* kids then the result could be MUCH worse than if it were just a fist fight.  Then you have a mega lawsuit

Your lne of thought isn't clear here, so I don't understand what you're arguing.  People are being pussified, but it's not okay to have knives in school?

I mean people are trying to be too politically correct.  Sometimes it is better to have one whole generalized rule (or whatever) for people.

What is the "shot heard 'round the world?"

Good god man, don't you live in the US?  http://hoover.archives.gov/exhibits/RevAmerica/3-When/Shot.html

I've heard of it, never learned it though.

The Constitution provides a reason for the weapons as well.

Oh yeah?  And can you explain to me what the significance is of the knife, please?

For these religious peoples to protect themselves when being attacked.

[Joe[x86]]

CrAz3D, I hope you realize you blew that TOTALLY out of porportion. We have kids carrying hammers (real metal hammers, not just toys) around our school for no reason whatsoever, and they don't get in trouble. Why? Because they don't use them.

By the same logic I could carry a 9mm into class & be ok because I don't use it.
I'd LOVE to carry a 9mm to class, but I can't buy one til I'm 23? I think.  That's dumb, its not like I'm going to kill anyone with it.

Would you, personally, feel safe if you knew every gang member in your school carried a gun to class?

No. I wouldn't. If I knew every person of the Sikh religion (what, 1 in 10,000 in America?) carred a dagger, I'd feel save. I haven't had any self defence training, and I've disarmed my brother countless times (he pulls his knifes on me, what a moron).

A gun is around 100 times as dangerous as a knife. You can run, and even try to dodge, and still potentially get killed. To survive a knife attack all you have to do is dodge and then deliver a kick to the nuts (male), boobs (women, I don't know why, but they're violent too!), head, or stomach.

Also, I have to agree with Topaz's point. A gangster is much more likely to shoot you than a religious person is to stab you.

[iago]

The Constitution provides a reason for the weapons as well.

Oh yeah?  And can you explain to me what the significance is of the knife, please?

For these religious peoples to protect themselves when being attacked.

What's your source on that?  Or did you just make it up?

That's like saying that the reason Christians worship the crucifix is because you can hit people with it (or launch grenades from it in rare cases). 

[Arta]

Or, if it's made out of a shotgun and a baseball bat, use it to kill vampires

[CrAz3D]

Orthodox Sikhs have been required to carry kirpans since the 1600s. Some say the original purpose was for defense but many insist it is not a weapon.