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[dxoigmn]

Screw it, plants aren't intelligent.

Intelligence:
   The faculty of thought and reason.

Plants cannot think because they have no mind.

Probably best to move this away from the political forum.

http://forum.valhallalegends.com/index.php?topic=13652.0

[Adron]

Screw it, plants aren't intelligent.

Intelligence:
   The faculty of thought and reason.

Ah, just what I was looking for. So, if we cannot reason with a fetus, it is not intelligent, and we can kill it!

[Explicit]

Screw it, plants aren't intelligent.

Intelligence:
   The faculty of thought and reason.

Ah, just what I was looking for. So, if we cannot reason with a fetus, it is not intelligent, and we can kill it!

So if you cannot reason with a fully-developed human being, you would kill it, too?

[Adron]

So if you cannot reason with a fully-developed human being, you would kill it, too?

Well, if intelligence, being the ability to reason, is what sets humans apart from animals, then a fully-developed "something that is not intelligent" is not a human. It is a beast, just like a cow, rattle snake, mosquito, or anything else that we kill.

[Explicit]

So if you cannot reason with a fully-developed human being, you would kill it, too?

Well, if intelligence, being the ability to reason, is what sets humans apart from animals, then a fully-developed "something that is not intelligent" is not a human. It is a beast, just like a cow, rattle snake, mosquito, or anything else that we kill.

But some beasts, such as dolphins, horses, and dogs, are intelligent also.  They have the capacity to learn, don't they?

[Falcon[anti-yL]]

So if you cannot reason with a fully-developed human being, you would kill it, too?

Well, if intelligence, being the ability to reason, is what sets humans apart from animals, then a fully-developed "something that is not intelligent" is not a human. It is a beast, just like a cow, rattle snake, mosquito, or anything else that we kill.

But some beasts, such as dolphins, horses, and dogs, are intelligent also.  They have the capacity to learn, don't they?

Sure they do, to a certain extent, you can't teach any of those animals to reason.

[WoOdTroll]

Uhm, dogs are train to be the eyes of blind people. They know when to cross a road when waiting for the lights.

[MyndFyre]

But some beasts, such as dolphins, horses, and dogs, are intelligent also.  They have the capacity to learn, don't they?

Learning is a very touchy subject.  There are two types of learning: one that involves simply stimulus-response (classical conditioning), and one that involves reinforcement techniques (operant conditioning).  Most animals are capable of the first, and many the second.  That doesn't make them "intelligent," though.

[Explicit]

But some beasts, such as dolphins, horses, and dogs, are intelligent also.  They have the capacity to learn, don't they?

Learning is a very touchy subject.  There are two types of learning: one that involves simply stimulus-response (classical conditioning), and one that involves reinforcement techniques (operant conditioning).  Most animals are capable of the first, and many the second.  That doesn't make them "intelligent," though.

At the risk of sounding stupid, could you provide an example of each type?

[CrAz3D]

Who is to say younger children/infants/fetus' can't reason?
Maybe on a SUPER smaller level they can?

Besides, it isn't intelligence alone that we basis the decision to kill fetus' on.  We also look at whether or not they are alive yet.

Babies kick in the womb, to kick it must be alive.  To kill something that is alive is murder

[Adron]

Babies kick in the womb, to kick it must be alive.  To kill something that is alive is murder

Ah. Any idea if cows can kick? You like steak?

[CrAz3D]

I mentioned that it was a combination of things.

I was just using the kicking to explain that its alive (muwah ah ah)

[Adron]

To kill something that is alive is murder

A murder of crows? Cows?

[CrAz3D]

Ok, you're murdering a cow, they taste good & that is their purpose, to be eaten (or worship if you live in other parts of the world)

[Hitmen]

Ok, you're murdering a cow, they taste good & that is their purpose, to be eaten (or worship if you live in other parts of the world)

What if I want a nice tasty fetus burger?