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Started by Arta, September 16, 2005, 05:28 PM

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Mephisto

Quote from: hismajesty[yL] on September 20, 2005, 06:14 PM


The inconsiderateness and arrogance of republicans is absolutely baffling.

Invert

Quote from: Mephisto on September 20, 2005, 10:00 PM
The inconsiderateness and arrogance of republicans is absolutely baffling.

I know... what assholes! I want to stay home and get free money! Stupid republicans are ruining this for me.

Mephisto

Quote from: Invert on September 20, 2005, 10:07 PM
Quote from: Mephisto on September 20, 2005, 10:00 PM
The inconsiderateness and arrogance of republicans is absolutely baffling.

I know... what assholes! I want to stay home and get free money! Stupid republicans are ruining this for me.

That is not what I am saying, and I'm pretty sure you're smart enough to know that.  Thanks for the unncessary sarcasm.

CrAz3D

Quote from: Mephisto on September 20, 2005, 10:00 PM
Quote from: hismajesty[yL] on September 20, 2005, 06:14 PM


The inconsiderateness and arrogance of republicans is absolutely baffling.
What about the losers in New Orleans that recieve food from volunteers & are very UNthankful? 
rebundance - having or being in excess of sheer stupidity
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Quote from: Spht on June 22, 2004, 07:32 PMSlap.
Quote from: Adron on January 28, 2005, 09:17 AMIn a way, I believe that religion is inherently evil, which includes Christianity. I'd also say Christianity is eviller than Buddhism (has more potential for evil).
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Invert

Quote from: CrAz3D on September 20, 2005, 10:10 PM
Quote from: Mephisto on September 20, 2005, 10:00 PM
Quote from: hismajesty[yL] on September 20, 2005, 06:14 PM


The inconsiderateness and arrogance of republicans is absolutely baffling.
What about the losers in New Orleans that recieve food from volunteers & are very UNthankful? 

Why do people in this country expect shit? They expect free food, free money, free everything. What ever happened to working hard for success, what ever happened to being thankful for the opportunity to live in this country? People in this country are spoiled and take everything for granted, we are like that Veruca girl from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, when we dont get our way we stomp and make a big fart about it. Embarrassing.  In my opinion this virus that is spreading fast through our country was introduced by many of these liberal ideas and philosophies like welfare.

Option

Quote from: Invert on September 16, 2005, 05:45 PM
Quote from: Arta[vL] on September 16, 2005, 05:28 PM
I agree a bit, but not completely. You guys seem to think that all poor people are just lazy, and I don't think that's true. I'd imagine your perspective would change somewhat if you were a deeply in debt middle-aged single mother with 6 children. I'm not saying that people shouldn't have personal responsibility - but I think some people need a helping hand, and that's ok.

In your example that woman must have done something to put herself in that situation, it did not just happen. I agree that some people need help and that helping another person is a good thing. I just don't agree with helping someone by giving them free money. I believe in helping people help themselves and that it is the only kind of help that is worth anything.

im going to have to agree 100% with Invert's comment. People that really do need the help should do something more than wait in line to recieve their check, or now-a-days its sitting at home watching tv until the mail comes. Maybe if it was some sort of loan system where they would have to at least pay back a fraction of what theyre given.

dxoigmn

Quote from: Invert on September 21, 2005, 02:04 AM
Why do people in this country expect shit? They expect free food, free money, free everything. What ever happened to working hard for success, what ever happened to being thankful for the opportunity to live in this country? People in this country are spoiled and take everything for granted, we are like that Veruca girl from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, when we dont get our way we stomp and make a big fart about it. Embarrassing.  In my opinion this virus that is spreading fast through our country was introduced by many of these liberal ideas and philosophies like welfare.

Because America is supposedly a christian nation...oops I guess not. Anyways, how the hell is welfare a "liberal" idea? You make no sense and frankly, have nothing important to say.

hismajesty

QuoteAnyways, how the hell is welfare a "liberal" idea?

Well, it certainly isn't fiscally conservative.

CrAz3D

Modern liberalism believes in the government helping out people.  Giving them a second chance, a helping hand, w/e.  So, uh, yeah, welfare is a liberal program.

I think Invert has had a few good things to say.  I don't want to freely give my money to any bum either.  I wouldn't mind giving a dude on the street a sandwich, but giving him a house, a car, food, water, electricity & so forth is ridiculous if he is just gonna sit there & do jack with the rest of his life.
rebundance - having or being in excess of sheer stupidity
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Quote from: Spht on June 22, 2004, 07:32 PMSlap.
Quote from: Adron on January 28, 2005, 09:17 AMIn a way, I believe that religion is inherently evil, which includes Christianity. I'd also say Christianity is eviller than Buddhism (has more potential for evil).
Quote from: iago on April 19, 2005, 01:06 PM
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hismajesty

Pssh, if God liked welfare why would he have thrown a hurricane on NEW ORLEANS?! ;)

Banana fanna fo fanna

Quote from: dxoigmn on September 21, 2005, 02:54 PM
Because America is supposedly a christian nation...oops I guess not. Anyways, how the hell is welfare a "liberal" idea? You make no sense and frankly, have nothing important to say.

It's massive government spending, are you kidding me!? Of course its a liberal idea! And stop bashing Christianity and how we're supposedly a Christian nation. We aren't. We are a secular nation that is populated by a majority of Christians who know that separating church from state is a good thing. Don't cite bullshit anti-Bush rhetoric, dxiomgn, cause that's what dirty Dartmouth hippies are prone to do.

CrAz3D

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/22/katrina.criminals.ap/index.html

People are getting upset because background checks are being exectuted on the New Orleans evacuees.

Article says more than half of the evacuated population has been arrested & on third of that population has had a felony.  Most of these people are black and poor. 

Quote"I think it's happening partly because who these people are and where they came from," said Steve Brown, executive director of the Rhode Island ACLU. "The mere fact that people have past criminal records in and of itself doesn't say anything about harm to the community."
Uhm, so just because they're black & poor the 50% of the people actually DO have an arrest should be overlooked & deemed safe for society?...

Looks like birds of a feather do flock together.  I had no idea that New Orleans was such a horrid place to live with so many evil people living together in poverty living off of government monies.
rebundance - having or being in excess of sheer stupidity
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Quote from: Spht on June 22, 2004, 07:32 PMSlap.
Quote from: Adron on January 28, 2005, 09:17 AMIn a way, I believe that religion is inherently evil, which includes Christianity. I'd also say Christianity is eviller than Buddhism (has more potential for evil).
Quote from: iago on April 19, 2005, 01:06 PM
CrAz3D's ... is too big vertically, at least, too big with ... iago ...

Hitmen

Quote from: hismajesty[yL] on September 22, 2005, 12:33 PM
Pssh, if God liked welfare why would he have thrown a hurricane on NEW ORLEANS?! ;)
God doesn't hate welfare, he just hates black people. Duh.

dxoigmn

Quote from: Banana fanna fo fanna on September 22, 2005, 02:43 PM
It's massive government spending, are you kidding me!? Of course its a liberal idea! And stop bashing Christianity and how we're supposedly a Christian nation. We aren't. We are a secular nation that is populated by a majority of Christians who know that separating church from state is a good thing. Don't cite bullshit anti-Bush rhetoric, dxiomgn, cause that's what dirty Dartmouth hippies are prone to do.

Welfare is very much a socialist idea. Modern liberalism only adopted the idea of welfare post-depression because it was necessary. A lot of christians call America a christian nation, at least in my experience; probably because it is populated by many christians. Where did the anti-Bush statement come from? Clever insult, even though I don't like hippies nor do I consider myself to be one. Hippies are hard to come by at Dartmouth (which is mostly conservative in terms of student population). Such animosity, were you rejected from the ivies or something?

Invert

Quote from: dxoigmn on September 23, 2005, 12:58 AM
Welfare is very much a socialist idea. Modern liberalism only adopted the idea of welfare post-depression because it was necessary. A lot of christians call America a christian nation, at least in my experience; probably because it is populated by many christians. Where did the anti-Bush statement come from? Clever insult, even though I don't like hippies nor do I consider myself to be one. Hippies are hard to come by at Dartmouth (which is mostly conservative in terms of student population). Such animosity, were you rejected from the ivies or something?

It's not a socialist idea, you are a true moron. A part of socialism is the idea of where everybody works for their fair share. Everyone receives a fair share because they all worked for it.

Welfare was created by liberalists. It takes a cut of my hard earned money and gives it to people that did not lift a finger for it.

You are truly confused what socialism is. I on the other had experienced socialism; I was born in the Soviet Union and lived there for 9 years since my birth. I was only a child but I know that everyone was forced to work and contribute to the society as a whole so in the end they can receive a fair share. I know that if you refused to work you did not get a free paycheck you went to jail!

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