Terrorism in the London

[hismajesty]

We probably fear them because they killed our citizens, in mass numbers. And probably because they've openly said that they hate us and what we stand for.

Why do countless people from other countries come to our country? Because our way of life is better.
How come whenever you go to a resort area here in the summer, countless workers are from other countries? Because they like our way of life, and they like the amount of money they can get and send back. When I was on vacation a lot of the workers were form Europe and some from South America, a few were going to school and using the money to support their schooling. Though, all of them, were using the money to support their family back home. One was from some place owned by Russia, she liked it here... a lot, and was using the money to send back home. They come here because they can send way more money back to their families and not be taxed on it. A lot actually decide to live here because they prefer our way of life.

My heart goes out to the victims of the bombings, and their families. It's horrible that the world our children will be going into will be a world filled with people getting blown up on their way to work. It sickens me.

[CrAz3D]

We probably fear them because they killed our citizens, in mass numbers. And probably because they've openly said that they hate us and what we stand for.

Why do countless people from other countries come to our country? Because our way of life is better.
How come whenever you go to a resort area here in the summer, countless workers are from other countries? Because they like our way of life, and they like the amount of money they can get and send back. When I was on vacation a lot of the workers were form Europe and some from South America, a few were going to school and using the money to support their schooling. Though, all of them, were using the money to support their family back home. One was from some place owned by Russia, she liked it here... a lot, and was using the money to send back home. They come here because they can send way more money back to their families and not be taxed on it. A lot actually decide to live here because they prefer our way of life.

My heart goes out to the victims of the bombings, and their families. It's horrible that the world our children will be going into will be a world filled with people getting blown up on their way to work. It sickens me.

hot damn trust, good points, <3!

[iago]

We probably fear them because they killed our citizens, in mass numbers. And probably because they've openly said that they hate us and what we stand for.

Mass numbers?  Are you serious?

How many people in the last year have been killed by terrorists?

Have many people in the last year have been killed by cars?

I say that, because cars are killing people in, apparently, substantially higher than "mass numbers", we ban them.

How many people in the last year have been killed by drowning?

I say that, because water kills people in more than "mass numbers", we ban it too.

(although I don't have the numbers, I am certain that the lowest number by far will be the terrorists number)

[CrAz3D]

Cars are accidents
Water is accidents

Terrorism is purposeful plotted destruction of life.

[hismajesty]

Why does that matter? People that die due to cars and drowning (unless it's in relation to blatant murder) die accidentally. Flying airplanes into tall buildings, or bombing restraunts/buses/subways/etc. is definitely not accidental it's clear that their goal is to murder a mass number of innocent people without regard for age/race/gender/religion.

Besides, even if terror-related deaths are far lower (number-wise) than other types of deaths, why does that call for any less of a concern? Terrorist attacks also cost a country tons and tons of money in property damage, it also hurts the moral of a country and the economy. Not only that, but it can hurt the companies in the country as well - enhancing the decline of an economy. For example, after 9/11 the airlines took a major hit, and some went bankrupt. The only good that can come out of one is that generally when a country is attacked by terrorists its peoples sense of nationalism increases.

Besides, it's not like William Ford (or anyone else) is out saying "lets produce a new SUV/car/truck/etc.  that intentionally kills people because they think differently than us"

Or it's not like water facilities are saying "lets taint this water so that it automatically drowns people swimming"

But what are terrorists doing? They're bombing products made by automobile makers, they're talking about poisioning the water during chlorination process as well. What do both of those have in common? It's intentionally killing people.

Edit:

Just because your country isn't getting involved enough with this ordeal to be a direct target of these terrorists, doesn't mean they won't come for you. You're still a primarily Christian country, and thus an enemy of the radical muslims that are performing these extreme acts of hatred. Instead of complaining about it, you people should help. I don't mean all of Canada, as I've read and/or heard that the vast majority of Canadians support the United States, but I mean the Canadian Do-Nothing Complainers like yourself.

This quote by Martin Niemoller came to mind.

"First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."


However, you're speaking out towards those who are willing to speak out in defense of you.

[CrAz3D]

Maybe some Canadians have been bainwashed to believe that terrorism isn't that big of a problem...

[iago]

I apologize.  Apparently we have different definitions of the word "mass numbers".

In your country, how many people are killed by crime each year?  And how many by terrorism?  What are you doing to solve the crime problems?

The entire reason that these attacks are so effective is that they get blown out of proportion.  40 people die, and suddenly the whole world is afraid and making noise and discussing it.  As soon as everybody makes a big deal out of a small attack, they've completed their goal.  You're helping terrorists!

When you say the economy was disrupted by it, how do you think the terrorists feel? I mean, the ones who didn't explode themselves.  I'm sure they feel pretty damn good that an attack they planned had such an enormous impact, which again encourages them.  Yet again, because of how people reacted to it, they helped the terrorists again!

[Adron]

Yeah, exactly. So they need to have pissed off people available to recruit new bombers from. The same old suicide bombers can't keep attacking over and over

Not true.  There was an interview on NPR about 2 months ago (I think Fresh Air) with a guy who had cataloged every single terrorist act in the world since 2000 (sorry, I forget his name, I'll try to find it).  There were over 6000 terrorist attacks, and only about 350 were suicide attacks.  Also, the largest terrorist group is the Shamal(?) Tigers in the Tibet region.

Hmm, if you catalogue every single terrorist act, you're likely to get a lot of acts that aren't nearly as big events as the 9/11 attack.

If you put all the attacks together, then take out the top % with a significant effect on the USA, and then check for common perpetrators, what would the results be?

Besides, I don't think Bush is very concerned about the situation with the Shamal Tigers?

[Adron]

Why do countless people from other countries come to our country? Because our way of life is better.

Some come because their own country is being sucked out by the evil Americans. Some come just to have a look at the world. Some surely come because they want to try your way of life. You can't say your way of life is better though. You are currently sucking out other countries in the world. Eventually that'll change, but it really isn't a "your way of life", more of a "how things have happened to end up for now".

How come whenever you go to a resort area here in the summer, countless workers are from other countries? Because they like our way of life, and they like the amount of money they can get and send back.

This is also most likely because they're a cheap work force and because you're a rich country. It has nothing to do with your way of life, only with your happening to have more money right now. Why do a lot of Americans go on vacation to far away places? Because they like that way of life better?

[Topaz]

Why are they pissed off? Brainwashing.

Why do Americans fear them so much? Brainwashing.

Why do Americans think that their way of life is the only way to be happy? Brainwashing.

Rofl

[Warrior]

Let's see, crime is being handled. Criminals don't run free on the streets (unless they escape which is a different story). Now to handle terrorism it is a WHOLE different procedure to be taken.

What people fail to see that if the people are not alerted of the dangers we will be caught with our pants down like we were on 9/11.

It was an unprovoked attack which is the style of the terrorists and they do it withought warning,  so America must warn its citizens of the dangers so they can be on alert for anything out of the ordinary and goddammit it's doing a good job.

[dxoigmn]

It was an unprovoked attack which is the style of the terrorists and they do it withought warning,  so America must warn its citizens of the dangers so they can be on alert for anything out of the ordinary and goddammit it's doing a good job.

I hope by provoked you don't mean America meddling in the affairs of the middle east; otherwise the attack was certainly provoked.

[hismajesty]

This is also most likely because they're a cheap work force and because you're a rich country. It has nothing to do with your way of life, only with your happening to have more money right now. Why do a lot of Americans go on vacation to far away places? Because they like that way of life better?

We go on vacation in other countries to see stuff, not to get a job. They aren't a cheap work force, they get paid the same amount as Americans (the ones that come here on school-sponsored stuff and such, not illegal Mexican immigrants) and they can send the money home without being taxed on it. In this situtation, Americans are losing out (giving American jobs to Europeans, and not getting money from taxes) but we're overlooking that and still allow them to get summer jobs and go home. I'm sure Americans going to foreign countries to get minimum-wage jobs and expect lots of benefits to send home to their familes is a rare occasion.

I apologize.  Apparently we have different definitions of the word "mass numbers".

I'm using 'mass' in such a way that it means 'a lot of' or something to that effect.

I'm not sure of the crime rate in America, it's high, but we do have people to deal with that. Unless you want America to become a military-controlled state, the crime rate isn't going to change much.

How do you think countries should react to such blatant attacks on humanity, iago? Should we (USA) just sit back and say "cool, they killed 3,023 Americans, let's not do anything or say anything so they don't think that they hurt us?" No, we shouldn't. When people like this attack a country, not following formal rules of engagement, not having any regard for any form of human life, and not giving a damn that they're going to economically, physically, and socially harm a country and a way of life we should not sit back and just let it happen - and then not say anything.

[CrAz3D]

Why do countless people from other countries come to our country? Because our way of life is better.

Some come because their own country is being sucked out by the evil Americans. Some come just to have a look at the world. Some surely come because they want to try your way of life. You can't say your way of life is better though. You are currently sucking out other countries in the world. Eventually that'll change, but it really isn't a "your way of life", more of a "how things have happened to end up for now".

How come whenever you go to a resort area here in the summer, countless workers are from other countries? Because they like our way of life, and they like the amount of money they can get and send back.

This is also most likely because they're a cheap work force and because you're a rich country. It has nothing to do with your way of life, only with your happening to have more money right now. Why do a lot of Americans go on vacation to far away places? Because they like that way of life better?

How about you live in America with me for a few years then you can move to Iran or something...would you like living in Iran more?  I expect an honest answer

dxoigmn, if by "the US meddling in Middle Eastern affairs" you mean "us helping protect them from eachother" then I accept that we did meddle, otherwise no (PST, we're weren't in Iraq until after 9/11)

[Warrior]

We hadn't had anything to do with the Middle East before 9/11 since Iraq attacked Kuwait afaik.

(Ofcourse I mean Military Force)