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[Mephisto]

So, morality is outdated?  The fact that murder is WRONG should be revised?

You're using an example of morality that is completley obvious to everyone as *wrong* [to murder someone]; obviously some parts of the 'archaic and out-dated morality' is still applicable to the modern world, but much of it isn't.

Anyways, I feel this thread is going off topic from the original topic of discussion, and it's clearly going no where; it's the same arguments back and forth with little to no compromise/progress.

[EpicOfTimeWasted]

Have you read ANY of this thread?

Yes, I have read every post.  Your arguement has always been that homosexuality is immoral, and therefore the BSA is in the right for not allowing them to join.  You then proceed to argue that by not funding the BSA, LS&Co has condemned nearly 5 million children to become the dregs of society.  You THEN say that the BSA not allowing homosexuals to join is just one of the things that "have to be sacrificed for the greater good".

The thing that you seemingly fail to understand though, is that your arguements for not allowing homosexuals to join are some of the same arguements that Hitler and his regime used for killing Jews, and that the KKK uses for terrorizing black people.  I'm NOT saying that the BSA is going to start rounding up homosexuals and gassing or lynching them, but I AM saying that teaching discrimination is NOT for the greater good.

[Hazard]

Arta, lets not forget that all too often homophobic ideas can be correct. For instance, a BSA scout leader was just convicted of owning child pornography, he was definetly a homosexual man.

[dxoigmn]

Arta, lets not forget that all too often homophobic ideas can be correct. For instance, a BSA scout leader was just convicted of owning child pornography, he was definetly a homosexual man.

Haha this is a classic statement. Since when does homosexuality have anything to do with child pornography? What if he was looking at female children? Then he is still a homosexual?!

Edit: What if he never looked at child pornography until he joined the BSA at which time he became interested in child pornography because he was around male children all the time (I read the article and it says he was an administrative person, but even so...)?

[Arta]

Arta, lets not forget that all too often homophobic ideas can be correct. For instance, a BSA scout leader was just convicted of owning child pornography, he was definetly a homosexual man.

Homophobia as NOTHING to do with paedophilia. Being homosexual has NOTHING to do with being a paedophile. The fact that he was gay has NOTHING to do with it. The fact that he is a paedophile has EVERYTHING to do with it and he should OBVIOUSLY not be in a job with childeren.

To compare the two is disingenuous at worst and ignorant at best.

[Adron]

Arta, lets not forget that all too often homophobic ideas can be correct. For instance, a BSA scout leader was just convicted of owning child pornography, he was definetly a homosexual man.

Homophobia as NOTHING to do with paedophilia. Being homosexual has NOTHING to do with being a paedophile. The fact that he was gay has NOTHING to do with it. The fact that he is a paedophile has EVERYTHING to do with it and he should OBVIOUSLY not be in a job with childeren.

To compare the two is disingenuous at worst and ignorant at best.

Was he even homosexual?

[Hazard]

Yes, he was. Read the briefs you can find them at http://news.yahoo.com.

[Arta]

For God's sake. It doesn't matter... homosexual != paedophile.

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.

[CrAz3D]

Jews aren't homosexuals nor are blacks gays.  Big difference.  You can't change being jewish/black as easily as you can sexual preferences.  You are BORN as a Jew or a black person, you are born straight.

When did I say LS&Co is condeming us?...I just said they aren't supporting a VERY good cause.

No, I never said we deny homosexuals because it is for the greater good, I said we deny them because the way they live is immoral.  I said LS&Co should fund us eventhough we deny membership to homosexuals because helping the scouts is better than 'unopressing the homosexuals '

But you can't overlook the fact that this guy was a homosexual, it maybe have had an influence on his actions.  He was immoral in that way, why not another way also?

[Arta]

I give up. To be honest, I don't care what any of you think anymore. This has ceased to be entertaining.

If you want to be bigots, that's your business.

[Forged]

I said LS&Co should fund us eventhough we deny membership to homosexuals

Why should they dish out money to you if they believe what you are doing is wrong?  Do you donate to NAMBLA frequentlly?

[CrAz3D]

I give up. To be honest, I don't care what any of you think anymore. This has ceased to be entertaining.
If you want to be bigots, that's your business.

Technically, I believe you are a bigot too.

You're missing the point Forge, they supported us then withdrew because we discriminate.  They knew we discriminated before funding us.  They are being hypocritical of themselves

[Adron]

Yes, he was. Read the briefs you can find them at http://news.yahoo.com.

If convicted, Smith could get a prison term of five to 20 years, NBC News reported. The report also cited sources who said the investigation of the charge began in Germany and involved images of young boys.

Smith, who lives near BSA headquarters in the suburban Dallas-Ft. Worth area, had been with the youth organization for 39 years and held the post of national director of programs.

Are you saying he's homosexual, yet has been with BSA for 39 years? BSA makes exceptions for rich homosexuals?

[Adron]

Jews aren't homosexuals nor are blacks gays.  Big difference.  You can't change being jewish/black as easily as you can sexual preferences.  You are BORN as a Jew or a black person, you are born straight.

Actually, being jew is a choice. Any religion is a choice. They could convert to christianity or even become muslims if they wanted to. Blacks... Well, look at Michael Jackson.

But you can't overlook the fact that this guy was a homosexual, it maybe have had an influence on his actions.  He was immoral in that way, why not another way also?

Has no bearing at all, being homosexual isn't immoral

[CrAz3D]

I guess he ain't homosexual.  I thought maybe I had missed it the first time I read it so I took Hazard's word for it.  oops?

People are born into a religion or they aren't, everyone is born straight.