Conservatives

[rabbit]

That's not always the case.  There have been several people found innocent after being put to death, or after sitting on death row for a while.

It's also cruel and unusual punishment to tell someone they are going to be killed, and then tell them they get to dread the day for 15 years while they sit on death row.  It's stupid.

And as you said, "Who is anyone to decide whether someone else lives or dies?"  Most conservatives seem to think they are someone who decides who lives and dies.  If you think that, how can you support the death penalty?  THAT is hypocrisy.

[Arta]

Shadow already posted a good definition:

# Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
# Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

[CrAz3D]

No let's not abort every child. I'm talking about people in poverty, children being born to teenage mothers, children who probably would not do well because of no money

OOOH!  Lets kill all of the black babies!  Statistically speaking, aren't black people more likely to commit crimes?

That's not always the case.  There have been several people found innocent after being put to death

not once has that happened in US history...look, you wont find it.

[l2k-Shadow]

No let's not abort every child. I'm talking about people in poverty, children being born to teenage mothers, children who probably would not do well because of no money

OOOH!  Lets kill all of the black babies!  Statistically speaking, aren't black people more likely to commit crimes?

That's not always the case.  There have been several people found innocent after being put to death

not once has that happened in US history...look, you wont find it.

So you are racist too? Yes a lot of black people are much poorer than white people due to racist America and slavery till 1800s, however, that is not always the case.

As far as the people sentenced to death, perhaps there have been no people found but there is a lot of conspiracy and speculation over death cases. For example the Sacco-Vanzetti case (http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/sacvan.html)

[CrAz3D]

No, I'm making sense out of what you said.  You said we should kill poor babies & stuff....I say we sohould kill black babies because most criminals are black.


There has been a big execution reform since then, what 1972?...anyways, thats what I meant

[Arta]

Not once has that happened in US history...look, you wont find it.

It's impossible for you to know that for sure.

[MyndFyre]

So you are racist too? Yes a lot of black people are much poorer than white people due to racist America and slavery till 1800s, however, that is not always the case.

As far as the people sentenced to death, perhaps there have been no people found but there is a lot of conspiracy and speculation over death cases. For example the Sacco-Vanzetti case (http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/sacvan.html)

It's not a matter of racism.  It's a matter of statistics.

[CrAz3D]

Not once has that happened in US history...look, you wont find it.

It's impossible for you to know that for sure.

No it isn't.  rabbit just said that people have been found innocent after being put to death...and under our current execution laws there has not been anyone found innocent after being put to death.

[l2k-Shadow]

So you are racist too? Yes a lot of black people are much poorer than white people due to racist America and slavery till 1800s, however, that is not always the case.

As far as the people sentenced to death, perhaps there have been no people found but there is a lot of conspiracy and speculation over death cases. For example the Sacco-Vanzetti case (http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/sacvan.html)

It's not a matter of racism.  It's a matter of statistics.

OOOH! Lets kill all of the black babies! Statistically speaking, aren't black people more likely to commit crimes?

All blacks are not incapable to financially support themselves.

[Grok]

Not once has that happened in US history...look, you wont find it.

It's impossible for you to know that for sure.

No it isn't.  rabbit just said that people have been found innocent after being put to death...and under our current execution laws there has not been anyone found innocent after being put to death.

Crazed is correct here.  There was recently a case in Virginia where a man was widely believed to have been innocent of a rape and murder of a young girl.  After his execution there were calls to have the DNA reexamined and as it turns out, it supported that he was the killer.  Death penalty opponents were quite sure this would be the first case of a man proven innocent after his execution.  It didn't go so well for them.

Point being, it's known and undisputed that nobody has been executed and then proven to be innocent, yet.

[Mephisto]

I think what Arta was mentioning was that it's impossible for us to know for sure whether they were all guilty (those sentenced to death) or not; not whether it was investigated and proven.

[MyndFyre]

I think what Arta was mentioning was that it's impossible for us to know for sure whether they were all guilty (those sentenced to death) or not; not whether it was investigated and proven.

Which is completely irrelevant because we shouldn't change our laws based on speculation but on fact.

[CrAz3D]

So you are racist too? Yes a lot of black people are much poorer than white people due to racist America and slavery till 1800s, however, that is not always the case.

As far as the people sentenced to death, perhaps there have been no people found but there is a lot of conspiracy and speculation over death cases. For example the Sacco-Vanzetti case (http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/sacvan.html)

It's not a matter of racism.  It's a matter of statistics.

OOOH! Lets kill all of the black babies! Statistically speaking, aren't black people more likely to commit crimes?

All blacks are not incapable to financially support themselves.

That's WAY besides the point.

Not all little kids are going to grow up poor & unwanted.  So either we can abort little babies cuz they're grow up in a bad world while also aborting black babies because they'll commit crimes or EVERYONE gets a chance to make something out of themselves.

[Rule]

I think what Arta was mentioning was that it's impossible for us to know for sure whether they were all guilty (those sentenced to death) or not; not whether it was investigated and proven.

Which is completely irrelevant because we shouldn't change our laws based on speculation but on fact.

.  Isn't that somewhat counter to what you've been arguing in this thread the whole time?

[CrAz3D]

I think what Arta was mentioning was that it's impossible for us to know for sure whether they were all guilty (those sentenced to death) or not; not whether it was investigated and proven.

Which is completely irrelevant because we shouldn't change our laws based on speculation but on fact.

.  Isn't that somewhat counter to what you've been arguing in this thread the whole time?

I believe MyndFyre is only going with the "kill black babies" thing to show Shadow that it doesnt make sense to do that.