To build a wall (of any sort) or not

[CrAz3D]

2) If there is a wall & good checkpoints itd be much harder to get illegals here, I don't think people would risk it as much...they'd just come legally & pay taxes

How many illegals came here to avoid taxes?

...what?
Illegals came here to work and make as much money as they can to send home, if they dont pay taxes tey have more money to send home

I think what MyndFyre and me are saying is that the issue isn't taxes. Sure, they take something out of our economy, but they come here because they seek better economic statuses/opportunities. They come here illegally because we bar them otherwise.

"Bar them otherwise"...do you mean not allow them to come here legally?  Maybe if more people came legally we could spend less money on illegal immigration issues & more people could come, then.
We're not forcing them into a "last resort" kinda thing.

[raylu]

Hm...I'm not sure I can find the information I want since this is such a hot topic right now; I get blasted with search results about other stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant#United_States

In 1965 the US removed all nation-specific quotas, while retaining an overall quota, and included immigrants from Mexico and the Western Hemisphere for the first time. This changed the composition of the new arrivals from mostly European, to a variety including many Asians. But in the 1990s the U.S. government again tightened restrictions on immigration.

http://www.cis.org/articles/1995/back395.html

1976 Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act — Extended a version of the seven-category preference system previously applied to Eastern Hemisphere countries to all Western Hemisphere countries. Also imposed an annual ceiling of 20,000 immigrants from any one country in the Western Hemisphere.

1978 Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act — The two hemispheric ceilings were combined into a worldwide quota of 290,000. The U.S. now had a policy that, on paper, applied uniformly to the people of all countries.

Basically, I'm getting at the quota thing. They come here because they cannot get a visa to enter.

[CrAz3D]

Hm...I'm not sure I can find the information I want since this is such a hot topic right now; I get blasted with search results about other stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigrant#United_States

In 1965 the US removed all nation-specific quotas, while retaining an overall quota, and included immigrants from Mexico and the Western Hemisphere for the first time. This changed the composition of the new arrivals from mostly European, to a variety including many Asians. But in the 1990s the U.S. government again tightened restrictions on immigration.

http://www.cis.org/articles/1995/back395.html

1976 Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act — Extended a version of the seven-category preference system previously applied to Eastern Hemisphere countries to all Western Hemisphere countries. Also imposed an annual ceiling of 20,000 immigrants from any one country in the Western Hemisphere.

1978 Amendments to Immigration and Nationality Act — The two hemispheric ceilings were combined into a worldwide quota of 290,000. The U.S. now had a policy that, on paper, applied uniformly to the people of all countries.

Basically, I'm getting at the quota thing. They come here because they cannot get a visa to enter.

But doesn't what you just said say that we are doing the immigration indiscriminately?

[raylu]

You mean

I think what MyndFyre and me are saying is that the issue isn't taxes. Sure, they take something out of our economy, but they come here because they seek better economic statuses/opportunities. They come here illegally because we bar them otherwise.

or

How many illegals came here to avoid taxes?

?

I'm saying they come here indiscriminately (in the first one). They're illegal because of the quota.

[CrAz3D]

You mean

I think what MyndFyre and me are saying is that the issue isn't taxes. Sure, they take something out of our economy, but they come here because they seek better economic statuses/opportunities. They come here illegally because we bar them otherwise.

or

How many illegals came here to avoid taxes?

?

I'm saying they come here indiscriminately (in the first one). They're illegal because of the quota.

Then they are doing it wrong, we shouldn't cater to them just because our quota is already met for the year or whatever

[raylu]

No, I'm saying that they don't come here to avoid taxes. That doesn't make our quota system is wrong, that just means that

2) If there is a wall & good checkpoints itd be much harder to get illegals here, I don't think people would risk it as much...they'd just come legally & pay taxes

is wrong.

[CrAz3D]

No, I'm saying that they don't come here to avoid taxes. That doesn't make our quota system is wrong, that just means that

2) If there is a wall & good checkpoints itd be much harder to get illegals here, I don't think people would risk it as much...they'd just come legally & pay taxes

is wrong.

I know they don't come to avoid taxes, but if they HAVE to be documented (citizens or workers) then itd be harder for them to get away from paying taxes

[WoOdTroll]

Craz3d, you said it yourself that they come here not to pay taxes.

I DO care that they drive around here without insurance, they use our health insurance, they pay no taxes...all free of charge.

Now you say "I know they don't come to avoid taxes," make up your mind will yeah?

Quit acting like they all do it too.

Personally I wish you were mexican so I could be this prejudice against you. See how you feel after I call you a criminal for what others do.

[CrAz3D]

Craz3d, you said it yourself that they come here not to pay taxes.

I DO care that they drive around here without insurance, they use our health insurance, they pay no taxes...all free of charge.

Now you say "I know they don't come to avoid taxes," make up your mind will yeah?

Quit acting like they all do it too.

Personally I wish you were mexican so I could be this prejudice against you. See how you feel after I call you a criminal for what others do.

I've NEVER said they come specifically to not pay taxes, I've just said that they come here and don't pay taxes.  They're main intent isn't to avoid taxes, it is to make money, but they avoid taxes anyway.

ALL illegal aliens are criminals, I haven't been prejudice against any mexicans, I'm only singling out illegal aliens.

[topaz]

Craz3d, you said it yourself that they come here not to pay taxes.

I DO care that they drive around here without insurance, they use our health insurance, they pay no taxes...all free of charge.

Now you say "I know they don't come to avoid taxes," make up your mind will yeah?

Quit acting like they all do it too.

Personally I wish you were mexican so I could be this prejudice against you. See how you feel after I call you a criminal for what others do.

You're talking like an illegal... or is it just your horribly poor English?


I've been watching CNN/Fox lately (both of which are extremely biased, as I've seen), and it's pathetic. The only excuses these folks have are "why are you designating immigrants as felons? THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG EXCEPT WANT TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES!", "this country was made up of immigrants, why are you alienating them? they're innocent people!"

Face it: we're not being racist, and we're not particularly biased - we just don't want you leeching millions of dollars from our country, taking jobs that belong to others, and tempting corporations to cut corners.

[Grok]

Face it: we're not being racist, and we're not particularly biased - we just don't want you leeching millions of dollars from our country, taking jobs that belong to others, and tempting corporations to cut corners.

So you're fine with the ones that pay their own way, and agree they should be allowed to stay and become proud US citizens.  Is that correct?