Illegal Immigrants

[MyndFyre]

There are Americans who forget all of that and willfully baa-aa-aa their chants of "ILLEGAL by definition" and "CRIMINALS" when talking about these good people.  Are they all good?  No, there are probably actual criminals in that population the same as there are criminals walking past you in the mall, wearing their Dockers and Old Navy.  But "illegal immigrants" is a double slam that can get the most simple-minded into a lather, thankfully forgetting the steady soaking being done to them by the super rich and elite, thankfully forgetting that our educational system stinks so bad that free thinking is not even a concept in US public schools.  For if we taught the sheep to think, we might have actual interest in solving real problems and not infighting against OMG, illegal immigrants.

You touch on a good point here Grok, which is a matter of verbiage. 

Carlos Morales, who illegally immigrated from Mexico about 18 months ago, said in an interview at a work center in northern Phoenix that the law that ends funding to work centers is typical of politics in the aftermath of Prop 200.

"After Proposition 200, it seems everything is against the migrant. It's racist. Everything seems to be blamed on the migrant," Morales said in Spanish through a translator.

The problem is not the migrant.  I have a good friend whose family immigrated from Mexico.  We went to high school together.  He's organizing a rally against people who did not go through the hoops to come here legally.


These are people who are not paying taxes.  Who are not paying for health or vehicle insurance.  Did you know that every time I pay my car insurance I get kicked because I live in a state on the border?  I have to pay "uninsured or underinsured driver's insurance."  I guarantee you that, despite the fact that Arizona has laws on the books that every driver must have proof of insurance in his car at all times, the uninsured/underinsured part of the fee is not cheaper than in states where it's not a law. 


Then there's the issue of hospitalization costs.

Although undocumented workers help provide labor for Arizona's booming construction business, they also impose costs. Jim Dickson, who runs a hospital five miles from the Mexican border, says emergency room care for illegal immigrants has risen from $30,000 to more than $350,000 in only four years.

"We're in a war down here to preserve the health system," Dickson told Stateline.org.

Two hospitals outside of Tucson, AZ last year had to close because it is illegal to turn away people from an emergency room.  They were so inundated with illegal immigrants who did not have health insurance that they were operating at a major loss.  In the Phoenix metro area, wait times during non-peak times in the ER can be up to twelve hours, because a child who doesn't have medical coverage has an ear infection.


...and then housing costs.

Law enforcement officials and lawmakers such as Pearce also contend that crime follows illegal immigrants across the border. The state prison system spent $77 million last year detaining more than 4,000 illegal immigrants.

Of course, it must be nice not having to worry about that kind of thing, not living in a border state, or specifically a border state from which two thirds of illegal immigrants are arrested.

That's why my proposed legislation is so effective.  It provides for expediency for people who are not interested in assimilating, just working; it resolves the concern that people are here whom we don't know; it resolves the concern that those people aren't paying taxes; and it ensures that people are insured as necessary.

Source.  (I cannot vouch for the NPOV of this website; I obtained it through a Google search).

[Forged]

We can't we all just share

i have no problems with them mexicans, they make our lives alot easier tbh, without them a majority of our landscaping and if you own biznesss's, would go down the barrel.  there good people who just want to make it in the world, and i say they are more then welcome in the land of oppurtunity usa

as for the native americans mister ringo, I think they are quite happy hustling us with thier casinos

Do you live in texas?  I think if you did your attitude would be a tad diffrent...

I have no problems with imigrants, in fact, I think it should be easier and quicker to become a citizen.  My only beef with illegals is that
1.They don't pay taxs yet help in the crowding of the ,already crowded, schools
2.They do not have car insurance and can not legally get it, yet they still drive

Making it easier for them to become citizens would fix both of these problems.

[CrAz3D]

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion...

hmm, interesting...


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GO GEORGIA GOVERNOR!

[MyndFyre]

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GO GEORGIA GOVERNOR!

I would just like to say that Arizona was the first state to do that.  And it was a citizen initiative, not through the governor/legislature.  Go prop 200!

[CrAz3D]

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GO GEORGIA GOVERNOR!

I would just like to say that Arizona was the first state to do that.  And it was a citizen initiative, not through the governor/legislature.  Go prop 200!

nice!
do u know how 1 would go about that?

[MyndFyre]

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GO GEORGIA GOVERNOR!

I would just like to say that Arizona was the first state to do that.  And it was a citizen initiative, not through the governor/legislature.  Go prop 200!

nice!
do u know how 1 would go about that?

You need to check your state law.  The Arizona State Constitution provides for citizen's initiative to allow legislation to bypass the legislature and be put on the general ballot given enough signatures.

[CrAz3D]

hmm, sounds like it'd be a fun project sometime

[Warrior]

Might of been worded wrong but you get the point.

[CrAz3D]

Might of been worded wrong but you get the point.

What?

[Invert]

Why do some people insist that it would be impossible to get rid of 12 million illegals? Mexico got rid of 12 million legals why would we have a problem getting rid of 12 million illegals?

The solution to the problem is not how to find them, pack them up, and transport them but how to discourage them from staying.

Denying them all the rights that a citizen of the United States has will send them packing immediately. No more free medical, no more jobs, no more housing, no more education. We need to persuade them that being legal in Mexico is much better than being an illegal here.

Just imagine how great this will be, our medical costs will go down and our prison population will decrease by 25%, the farming industry will become a more prominent industry to work in. The cost of your strawberries will increase but so will the farmers minimum wage. The money saved in taxes on medical care and the reduction of prisoners will more then cover the cost of your trips to the grocery store.

Who will pick my strawberries? Who will take those farm jobs and other jobs that we were told Americans are unwilling to do? This is where we start talking about the welfare system or should I just say this is where the welfare system stops and a job placement program begins. How do you like that you lazy Americans that sit on welfare?

There are of course minor details that can be worked out for the best success of my ideas but I do not wish to get into them since sadly the liberal communists would never go for bettering my country.

[CrAz3D]

works for me....mostly.
maybe we could use volunteer prison labor too.

side note: my letts made both papers (the city paper letter was less efined & shorter:() but i still am gettin good feedback. ppl r callin my grandma, lol