Religious Knives???

[CrAz3D]

http://images.google.com/images?q=sikh%20dagger&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060302/wl_canada_nm/canada_religion_canada_sikh_col

How does that make sense?
I can see accept little crosses or something, but an 8" knife?
Shouldn't safety TOTALLY trump "religious freedom" in this case?

Canada, Oh Canada, what crazy nuts are in your courts?

Orthodox Sikhs have been required to carry kirpans since the 1600s. Some say the original purpose was for defense but many insist it is not a weapon.

Oh yeah, that TOTALLY isn't a weapon?


At what point should people stopping bending over backwards for stupid things like this?

Does this decision make sense to anyone here?

[topaz]

Has there ever been an incident where these knives have injured someone (excluding self defense)? Religious issues are very touchy, and (most) governments don't want to come off as biased in cases like these.

[CrAz3D]

Has there ever been an incident where these knives have injured someone (excluding self defense)? Religious issues are very touchy, and (most) governments don't want to come off as biased in cases like these.

That specific knife?  I dunno
Since the Sikh? people used to carry them for defense back in the day I'd assume they were used for fighting.

But an 8" dagger in school?  What kind of math class are you failing, come on now

[Glove]

Thanks moderators, you deleted my humorous post.

Anyhow, it is rediculously to assert that it isn't a weapon ... its a knife.
However, in the early church, Christians were persecuted.  Times were also different, it's not like they had the national guard or the police ... some of them even had body guards.   It makes sense that they carried some sort of weaponry.  I hear some of the early Catholic bishops were trained militants.

[CrAz3D]

I MADE sense that they carry a knife.  Knives are very useful, I always carry one.  I didn't take one to school ever, I would been suspened...after that I would've got the belt.

[iago]

There was a very large debate about this over the last couple weeks. 

The people have to carry the daggers as part of their religion.  They aren't allowed to draw them, and nobody has ever been injured by one.  In Canada, we have religious freedom, and this is part of it.  Like it or not, Sheik children are allowed to celebrate their religion. 

[CrAz3D]

There was a very large debate about this over the last couple weeks. 

The people have to carry the daggers as part of their religion.  They aren't allowed to draw them, and nobody has ever been injured by one.  In Canada, we have religious freedom, and this is part of it.  Like it or not, Sheik children are allowed to celebrate their religion. 

But shouldn't pverall safety trump the religion?

Say Sihk kid is in some sort of scuffle @ school the knife comes out (by him or by the other student)...that just seems nuts to allow KIDS to tote knives around in class.


Out of curiosity, anyone know the requirements to be a religion?
I want to start one that requires me to be intoxicated during all history/government type classes from age 15 on.
I also NEED to carry a 9mm pistol from age 9 to protect myself from daemons that materialize themselves.

[iago]

So far, nobody has been injured by the dagger.  So what safety issue?

If I had to guess, I'd say that the dagger is secured in the sheath so that it can't easily be drawn.  That would make it pretty safe.

And I don't know what the requirement for forming a religion is, but I'd like to find out. .  Seriously though, I doubt anybody can just go ahead and start their own religion.  That would be calle d cult. 

[CrAz3D]

yeah, I recall reading that thing about the Brazilian (wtf are brazilians doing in my state!?) tea.

# A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

I believe I can find people to join me, not follow me, in a quest for a greater existance.  Being intoxicated while in a gov/hist class could allow us to look at things from other points of views (maybe some that don't exist ).
The 9mm is strictly for protection from evils that materialize themselves.

Its all very logical, really.


Kids aren't allowed to take knives to school for the same reason I can't take a 9mm (now, not in my religion) into a schol & say "Hey, its ok dudes, I have the safety on".

[Arta]

I agree with Crazed. Religion has no place in schools -- other than for academic study.

[iago]

Religion is part of the person, whether or not he's going to school.  That basically limits his choices:
- Not go to school
- Go to a private school designed for himself and the few others in the country (the population is so sparse that wouldn't work)
- Practice his religion at school


Incidentally, my city had an unofficial phone-in poll on issue.  As accurate or inaccurate that that is aside, people voted 89% in favor of allowing the dagger. 

[CrAz3D]

Religion is part of the person, whether or not he's going to school.  That basically limits his choices:
- Not go to school
- Go to a private school designed for himself and the few others in the country (the population is so sparse that wouldn't work)
- Practice his religion at school


Incidentally, my city had an unofficial phone-in poll on issue.  As accurate or inaccurate that that is aside, people voted 89% in favor of allowing the dagger. 

or just MAYBE he could enter the twenty first century & stop carry a knife designed 400+ years ago?

89% in support of carry weapons to school!?  That has got to be the most fucking ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life!
Would your crazy town be supportive of "hallucenigenic tea" too?  What happens when a religion uses meth?  Should kids coming trippin out & steal the knives of the Sikh kids & stab the principal cause they thought he was coming to take their virginity or something?

Allowing this is just openning a Pandora's Box

[Joe[x86]]

CrAz3D, I hope you realize you blew that TOTALLY out of porportion. We have kids carrying hammers (real metal hammers, not just toys) around our school for no reason whatsoever, and they don't get in trouble. Why? Because they don't use them.

[CrAz3D]

CrAz3D, I hope you realize you blew that TOTALLY out of porportion. We have kids carrying hammers (real metal hammers, not just toys) around our school for no reason whatsoever, and they don't get in trouble. Why? Because they don't use them.

By the same logic I could carry a 9mm into class & be ok because I don't use it.
I'd LOVE to carry a 9mm to class, but I can't buy one til I'm 23? I think.  That's dumb, its not like I'm going to kill anyone with it.

Would you, personally, feel safe if you knew every gang member in your school carried a gun to class?

[topaz]

CrAz3D, I hope you realize you blew that TOTALLY out of porportion. We have kids carrying hammers (real metal hammers, not just toys) around our school for no reason whatsoever, and they don't get in trouble. Why? Because they don't use them.

By the same logic I could carry a 9mm into class & be ok because I don't use it.
I'd LOVE to carry a 9mm to class, but I can't buy one til I'm 23? I think. That's dumb, its not like I'm going to kill anyone with it.

Would you, personally, feel safe if you knew every gang member in your school carried a gun to class?

That doesn't fit; gangs have a history of violence, but, AFAIK, Orthodox Sikh's don't.