Google sets a double standard

Mephisto · January 26, 2006, 02:28 PM

Quote from: CrAz3D on January 25, 2006, 07:45 PM
Why is it that when the U.S. government asks for material regarding porn searhes Google says no because its against their beliefs or w/e but when China says to censor all the info Google says "okey dokey".

Fuck Google.
Bunch of hypocrits, they're just in it for the money now. Quite ruthless of them to do such a thing for millions of dollars so obviously.

Because people go to prison in China for anything porn-related. I'll dig up the case of it I saw on another forum later.

Also, you're a Capitalist supporter? Why should you be surprised that Google is in it for the money? Who gives a shit about pleasing the ethics of their customers when they are still willing to use their products and produce revenue for Google?

Explicit · January 26, 2006, 02:56 PM

Quote from: Mephisto on January 26, 2006, 02:28 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 25, 2006, 07:45 PM
Why is it that when the U.S. government asks for material regarding porn searhes Google says no because its against their beliefs or w/e but when China says to censor all the info Google says "okey dokey".

Fuck Google.
Bunch of hypocrits, they're just in it for the money now. Quite ruthless of them to do such a thing for millions of dollars so obviously.

Because people go to prison in China for anything porn-related. I'll dig up the case of it I saw on another forum later.

Also, you're a Capitalist supporter? Why should you be surprised that Google is in it for the money? Who gives a shit about pleasing the ethics of their customers when they are still willing to use their products and produce revenue for Google?

Because we all know that money makes the world go 'round.

CrAz3D · January 26, 2006, 04:27 PM

Quote from: Mephisto on January 26, 2006, 02:28 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 25, 2006, 07:45 PM
Why is it that when the U.S. government asks for material regarding porn searhes Google says no because its against their beliefs or w/e but when China says to censor all the info Google says "okey dokey".

Fuck Google.
Bunch of hypocrits, they're just in it for the money now. Quite ruthless of them to do such a thing for millions of dollars so obviously.

Because people go to prison in China for anything porn-related. I'll dig up the case of it I saw on another forum later.

Also, you're a Capitalist supporter? Why should you be surprised that Google is in it for the money? Who gives a shit about pleasing the ethics of their customers when they are still willing to use their products and produce revenue for Google?

I'm only complaining because Google is setting a double standard by obeying the Chinese anti-freedom of the press laws but disobeying U.S. subpoenas (which means they are breaking US laws) and because they claimed they aren't evil

Falcon[anti-yL] · January 26, 2006, 09:02 PM

I am sure if the US government asked Google to censor porn search data Google would do it, or if China asked for the data Google would refuse them it.

iago · January 26, 2006, 09:05 PM

Quote from: Grok on January 26, 2006, 11:19 AM
Quote from: iago on January 26, 2006, 09:30 AM
Quote from: Arta[vL] on January 26, 2006, 07:59 AM
It's not, but censoring their results in China is a gray area, if not just completely bad. It's a really disappointing decision.
It's hard to say. I suspect that if the US or Canada made some law that restricts access to certain content on the Internet, Google would filter it out if requested. It's not really our right or responsibility to critisize China's laws. Like them or not, they exist.

I disagree. It is both our right and responsibility to criticize tyrannical laws wherever they exist, Canada, USA, Britain, China, Korea, doesn't matter where.

It is not our right to disobey those laws when doing business in their borders, no matter how much we disagree with them. It is our responsibility to comply, or stay out.

You're right, I said it wrong.

Quote from: Falcon[anti-yL] on January 26, 2006, 09:02 PM
I am sure if the US government asked Google to censor porn search data Google would do it, or if China asked for the data Google would refuse them it.

I agree. That's why this isn't a double-standard, and there is no hypocricy involved.

CrAz3D · January 27, 2006, 09:26 AM

The government has asked Google to turn over porn search data, by law they're supposed to

iago · January 27, 2006, 10:59 AM

Hmm, I'm unsure whether or not it's illegal, or if the government themselves are breaking civil liberties in trying to get that information.

I guess we'll find out, eh?

CrAz3D · January 27, 2006, 12:06 PM

I see it like drug trafficking/meth lab house kinda things.

The government knows that it is going on there, they just have to wait til they have probable cause to issue a search warrant (which they've done obviously) & then bust them.

Grok · January 27, 2006, 01:27 PM

Quote from: CrAz3D on January 27, 2006, 09:26 AM
The government has asked Google to turn over porn search data, by law they're supposed to

If it was a request, that does not imply forced compliance.
If it was a court order, then by law they must.

Which one are you saying it is? Which law requires Google to comply with the government's request?

The government can ask you to do anything, but without the force of law, they can not require you to do any of it.

iago · January 27, 2006, 02:16 PM

Quote from: Grok on January 27, 2006, 01:27 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on January 27, 2006, 09:26 AM
The government has asked Google to turn over porn search data, by law they're supposed to

If it was a request, that does not imply forced compliance.
If it was a court order, then by law they must.

Which one are you saying it is? Which law requires Google to comply with the government's request?

The government can ask you to do anything, but without the force of law, they can not require you to do any of it.

I believe that the records were subpeonaed, but Google is fighting the subpeona before handing them over.

Grok · January 27, 2006, 02:39 PM

Oh that's fine then. As long as they're complying with the law. The remedy is correct, take it to the courts and let them decide, then comply with whatever the judge rules. Sounds like Google is acting within the law, much like Mr Bush claims to be acting within the law when he spies on Americans without a court order.

CrAz3D · January 27, 2006, 05:09 PM

Google is not a government agency, Google is not under persecution by the government, Google has no responsibility or authority to withhold information.

IF the records are finally turned over to the government & child pornographers are caught using this info then Google is an accomplice to that crime.

iago · January 27, 2006, 05:12 PM

I don't think there is any kind of precident for this type of thing. I think that we have to wait for the courts to decide before we can make any sort of judgement.

CrAz3D · January 27, 2006, 05:13 PM

Quote from: iago on January 27, 2006, 05:12 PM
I don't think there is any kind of precident for this type of thing. I think that we have to wait for the courts to decide before we can make any sort of judgement.

Its withholding information & so long as the child porn crimes are felonies (which I think they are) Google CEOs could end up in a "federal pound me in the ass" prison

iago · January 27, 2006, 05:13 PM

Quote from: CrAz3D on January 27, 2006, 05:13 PM
Quote from: iago on January 27, 2006, 05:12 PM
I don't think there is any kind of precident for this type of thing. I think that we have to wait for the courts to decide before we can make any sort of judgement.
Its withholding information

No, it's going to court in an attempt to withhold information. If the court rules that they have to give it up, then they likely will.