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Started by CrAz3D, January 11, 2006, 08:05 PM

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CrAz3D

I like how people are beginning to just attack his character now.

They're attacking him about groups he was barely active in like 26 years ago...mk
He doesn't remember anything about it, I'm fine with that, I don't know what I did in Key Club 2? years ago. 

These leftists sure are mean people.

NOTE:
As pointed out on the news, it is only a few evil leftists like Kennedy that are resorting to personal attacks.
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As someone on talk radio noted, the people involved know that the attacks they're making aren't substantiated, and that they're just preying on the ignorance of the masses.
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CrAz3D

Quote from: MyndFyre on January 11, 2006, 08:25 PM
As someone on talk radio noted, the people involved know that the attacks they're making aren't substantiated, and that they're just preying on the ignorance of the masses.
Exactly.  It isn't doing anything to Alito, other than making his wife break down in tears in hearings, its just making people think less of him.

If everyone knew what Kennedy did & how he acted along with his family no one would believe in him any longer, he doesn't even follow his own principles.
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Quote from: MyndFyre on January 11, 2006, 08:25 PM
As someone on talk radio noted, the people involved know that the attacks they're making aren't substantiated, and that they're just preying on the ignorance of the masses.

What will "preying on the ignorance of the masses" do?

CrAz3D

Quote from: dxoigmn on January 11, 2006, 10:08 PM
Quote from: MyndFyre on January 11, 2006, 08:25 PM
As someone on talk radio noted, the people involved know that the attacks they're making aren't substantiated, and that they're just preying on the ignorance of the masses.

What will "preying on the ignorance of the masses" do?
Influence people to not support their representatives if the representatives vote for Alito.
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Quote from: CrAz3D on January 11, 2006, 08:05 PM
I like how people are beginning to just attack his character now.

They're attacking him about groups he was barely active in like 26 years ago...mk
He doesn't remember anything about it, I'm fine with that, I don't know what I did in Key Club 2? years ago. 

These leftists sure are mean people.

NOTE:
As pointed out on the news, it is only a few evil leftists like Kennedy that are resorting to personal attacks.

Seriously.  I was watching some of the questioning on CSPAN2 and they were asking some of the stupidest questions and when they weren't, it was as if they were lecturing him on things as if he had already done them incorrectly.  It was funny for a few minutes and then got extremely boring at which point I changed channels.

CrAz3D

Right now Ed Kennedy is questioning him about unitary government & is slightly skewing his responses on it.  Kennedy seems rather unsure of what he wants to ask & Alito seems quite sure of his answers.

At least this is the last day for this.
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If Alito was a little bit more like Scalia, and a little less like Thomas I might think he would be a decent judge.
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Quote from: dxoigmn on January 11, 2006, 10:08 PM
What will "preying on the ignorance of the masses" do?

The entire campaign against Alito is smear.  He is highly qualified and has been very careful throughout his career.  For example, (I'm trying to remember the facts, so bear with me) Ted Kennedy claimed he hadn't seen a case by Alito where he ruled in favor of a minority or woman (I think this was in the last year or two).  There were four cases.

Either Kennedy didn't do his homework (and shouldn't be re-elected), or he's trying to paint Alito as a racist bigot. 
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Quote from: MyndFyre on January 12, 2006, 11:19 AM
Quote from: dxoigmn on January 11, 2006, 10:08 PM
What will "preying on the ignorance of the masses" do?

The entire campaign against Alito is smear.  He is highly qualified and has been very careful throughout his career.  For example, (I'm trying to remember the facts, so bear with me) Ted Kennedy claimed he hadn't seen a case by Alito where he ruled in favor of a minority or woman (I think this was in the last year or two).  There were four cases.

Either Kennedy didn't do his homework (and shouldn't be re-elected), or he's trying to paint Alito as a racist bigot. 
They're also turning his own answers against him by twisting his words.
There was some case Alito was asked about & he said it how it happend & so forth but he also mentioned that it could be used differently...he didn't say it SHOULD be used like that, he just pointed out a loophole...Ed Kennedey harped on that alot.

Also, many questions are being asked that he possibly cannot answer without there being actual facts.
Its pointless, they're not learning anything by it as he is answering as he should with "I don't know how I would decide without any facts"


EDIT:
I like how Sen. Shumer?'s conclusion was read, meaning it was written previous to today's questioning, he seems pretty sure of his decision even before questioning the man, nice.

Also, news just pointed out that many of the Senators have to keep refering to their notes to ask questions about Alito's past, decisions & cases in general.  Sam Alito, as pointed out, has looked at notes very little when responding.  I, personally, only have seen him look at notes once in the probably 3 hours I've watched.




ANYWAYS, this guy knows his shit.  Seems like he'dbe a good justice.  Not quite as constitutionalist as Scalia, but still believes in the constitution.


EDIT#2:
Sen. Biden(D) has a good point


EDIT #3:
I've heard about bigot remarks that Myndfyre was refering to, just saw a (R) senator flat out ask Alito (tape from yesterday) if he was a bigot & Alito responded no & the (R) senator began to defend why he agreed w/Alito.
Freakin extremists
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Quote from: CrAz3D on January 11, 2006, 08:05 PM
I like how people are beginning to just attack his character now.

They're attacking him about groups he was barely active in like 26 years ago...mk
He doesn't remember anything about it, I'm fine with that, I don't know what I did in Key Club 2? years ago. 

These leftists sure are mean people.

NOTE:
As pointed out on the news, it is only a few evil leftists like Kennedy that are resorting to personal attacks.

Please, if the tables were shifted it'd be the same things spewing from the right side.  Imagine Alito's Counterpart being nominated by Kerry if he were elected and were to appoint a judge.

If Alito does get on the Supreme Court it will mean that every court case will be predictably conservative in the sense of narrow interpretation of the constituion not to mention conservative beliefs from the party; such as abortion and right to weapons.  It's obvious then, that the left will fight vigorously to prevent a radical conservative from being on the Supreme court to replace the neutralizer of the Supreme Court who is now retiring.

I might also add for further discussion that Alito has shown some hypocrisy with his beliefs and his rulings, and I forgot the term used for this, but if he is consistant about it he may in fact vote pro-abortion rights and go with the flow of previous court rulings rather than voice his opinions.

This Supreme Court pick will determine the outcome of the Supreme Court until the next justice retires, so it is a critical decision and I don't think some of you probably understand that.  This decision will have a major outcome in the future.

Joe[x86]

Quote from: brew on April 25, 2007, 07:33 PM
that made me feel like a total idiot. this entire thing was useless.

CrAz3D

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 02:39 PM
Please, if the tables were shifted it'd be the same things spewing from the right side.  Imagine Alito's Counterpart being nominated by Kerry if he were elected and were to appoint a judge.
Obviously there would be a few extreme rightists slandering the nominee publically, these few people on both sides make a mockery out of this process.

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 02:39 PM
If Alito does get on the Supreme Court it will mean that every court case will be predictably conservative in the sense of narrow interpretation of the constituion not to mention conservative beliefs from the party; such as abortion and right to weapons.  It's obvious then, that the left will fight vigorously to prevent a radical conservative from being on the Supreme court to replace the neutralizer of the Supreme Court who is now retiring.
The court was predominantly conservative, but mostly they rule with the Constitution which it seems Alito rules with as well.

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 02:39 PM
I might also add for further discussion that Alito has shown some hypocrisy with his beliefs and his rulings, and I forgot the term used for this, but if he is consistant about it he may in fact vote pro-abortion rights and go with the flow of previous court rulings rather than voice his opinions.
He isn't supposed to rule "how he feels", he is supposed to rule within the law and if that law is unconstitutional they are supposed to overturn that law, it has nothing to do with his beliefs how he should be ruling, that isn't hypocrisy...hypocrisy would be Alito having an abortion (or something similar, you get the picture).  He would just be doing his job by upholding the Constitution, something he obviously believes in.
Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 02:39 PM
This Supreme Court pick will determine the outcome of the Supreme Court until the next justice retires, so it is a critical decision and I don't think some of you probably understand that.  This decision will have a major outcome in the future.
Of course the Supreme Court determines the outcome of the Supreme Court, they ARE the Supreme Court. ;)

Who are these "you"'s you're refering to?
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Quote from: CrAz3D on January 12, 2006, 04:18 PM
Obviously there would be a few extreme rightists slandering the nominee publically, these few people on both sides make a mockery out of this process.

So you agree?  I recommend that you don't make those stupid comments again about the left being a bunch of bullshitters asking irrelevant questions when the right would do the same.

Quote from: CrAz3D on January 12, 2006, 04:18 PM
The court was predominantly conservative, but mostly they rule with the Constitution which it seems Alito rules with as well.

The court was divided between four fairly predictable conservatives and four fairly prediactable liberals with Sandra Day O'Conner being in the middle to decide the the fate of many rulings for cases in the past.  How many 5-4 cases have there been in the last decade with a large amount of controversy?

Quote from: CrAz3D on January 12, 2006, 04:18 PM
He isn't supposed to rule "how he feels", he is supposed to rule within the law and if that law is unconstitutional they are supposed to overturn that law, it has nothing to do with his beliefs how he should be ruling, that isn't hypocrisy...hypocrisy would be Alito having an abortion (or something similar, you get the picture).  He would just be doing his job by upholding the Constitution, something he obviously believes in.

You're quite wrong.  If beliefs had nothing to do with the Supreme Court we wouldn't even be arguing about justice nominees to begin with; it'd automatically be who the President wanted and we wouldn't care.

The truth is, what he stands for and what he believes is critical to the outcome of rulings in the Supreme Court.  Their job is to interpret the Constitution, and interpretation is strongly, and if not indefinitely influenced by personal belief and opinion; I'm sorry, but there's no denying it to be frank.

Quote from: CrAz3D on January 12, 2006, 04:18 PM
Of course the Supreme Court determines the outcome of the Supreme Court, they ARE the Supreme Court. ;)

Who are these "you"'s you're refering to?

Yes, and this pick will likely be the biggest determining factor of the rulings.  See above.

I'm referring to people reading this and taking part of the discussion.  For example, I gurantee the case of abortion will come knocking on the Supreme Court again in the near future, and it it's a 5/4 conservative/liberal ratio, then we all know what the ruling will be.  Same goes for the other way around (vice versa).

This decision will strongly affect things like abortion, gun rights, etc. and that frankly, is a big deal.

CrAz3D

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 04:52 PM
So you agree?  I recommend that you don't make those stupid comments again about the left being a bunch of bullshitters asking irrelevant questions when the right would do the same.
In my post (before you replied) I mentioned the leftist meanines, I just never acknowledged the rightist meanies because they weren't really in the picture right now.

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 04:52 PM
The court was divided between four fairly predictable conservatives and four fairly prediactable liberals with Sandra Day O'Conner being in the middle to decide the the fate of many rulings for cases in the past.  How many 5-4 cases have there been in the last decade with a large amount of controversy?
No doubt about that.

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 04:52 PM
You're quite wrong.  If beliefs had nothing to do with the Supreme Court we wouldn't even be arguing about justice nominees to begin with; it'd automatically be who the President wanted and we wouldn't care.

The truth is, what he stands for and what he believes is critical to the outcome of rulings in the Supreme Court.  Their job is to interpret the Constitution, and interpretation is strongly, and if not indefinitely influenced by personal belief and opinion; I'm sorry, but there's no denying it, you'd be an idiot if you did.
I said he should be ruling by law.  Yes, I accept that beliefs have alot to do with what is & isn't unconstitutional, but also believe Alito appears (to me) to stay within the law on his rulings.

Quote from: Mephisto on January 12, 2006, 04:52 PM
Yes, and this pick will likely be the biggest determining factor of the rulings.  See above.

I'm referring to people reading this and taking part of the discussion.  For example, I gurantee the case of abortion will come knocking on the Supreme Court again in the near future, and it it's a 5/4 conservative/liberal ratio, then we all know what the ruling will be.  Same goes for the other way around (vice versa).

This decision will strongly affect things like abortion, gun rights, etc. and that frankly, is a big deal.
Of course its a big deal.
The next abortions case will be about the states' right to decide about abortion.  Indiana? has proposed a bill in their state legislature that would make any & all abortion illegal.
Whether or not abortion truly is a "state right" will be decided in the Supreme Court sometime, just as gay marriage is currently a "state right".
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