NSA Spying

[hismajesty]

I have no problem giving up some of my civil rights in exchange for more safety. I honestly don't fit the demographic they're searching for, nor do I plan on making threats against the country.

So as long as they're doing it in a purely racist way, it's ok?

I'm not opposed to it.

What if I say, "hey hismajesty, when are we going to blow up the Washington Monument?" on this forum? Or on AIM, or I'll send you an email.

I'd probably say "never."

[iago]

It could still raise enough of a red flag on your name that the government could start monitoring you without telling you.  Of course, you'd never know if you were singled out. 

But I see where this is going -- if you're going to say that it's ok for the US Government to be racist, there isn't a lot I can say about that.  Racism is a very convenient state of mind that makes it pretty much impossible to argue with somebody.

[hismajesty]

It could still raise enough of a red flag on your name that the government could start monitoring you without telling you. Of course, you'd never know if you were singled out.

But I see where this is going -- if you're going to say that it's ok for the US Government to be racist, there isn't a lot I can say about that. Racism is a very convenient state of mind that makes it pretty much impossible to argue with somebody.

I'm up for the debate. I've had to argue pro-Government racism IN debate, and I can pull out my debate box and use the same evidence cards against you.

[Kp]

I have no problem giving up some of my civil rights in exchange for more safety.

To save us some time, please enumerate which rights you'd like to keep (and go ahead and surrender any that you don't list).  Alternately, list those you're OK with giving up.  Once we're clear on which rights you value, we can argue over the others.

[hismajesty]

I have no problem giving up some of my civil rights in exchange for more safety.

To save us some time, please enumerate which rights you'd like to keep (and go ahead and surrender any that you don't list). Alternately, list those you're OK with giving up. Once we're clear on which rights you value, we can argue over the others.

My opinion on which rights I wouldn't mind surrendering isn't relative to whether or not the policy is just.

[iago]

I have no problem giving up some of my civil rights in exchange for more safety.

To save us some time, please enumerate which rights you'd like to keep (and go ahead and surrender any that you don't list). Alternately, list those you're OK with giving up. Once we're clear on which rights you value, we can argue over the others.

My opinion on which rights I wouldn't mind surrendering isn't relative to whether or not the policy is just.

I don't understand.  You'e saying that certain American citizens should be forced to give up certain rights because of their race.  Which rights, exactly, you think that other Americans should be denied?  I think that's a very important piece of this debate. 

[hismajesty]

The general right to privacy.

[iago]

What about Freedom of Assembly?  Should "they" be allowed to have their own gatherings?

Freedom of Speech?  Should "they" be able to say anything they want, without being arrested for it?

Freedom of thought?  They'd might as well get rid of that, too. 

[hismajesty]

Um, which of those involve privacy?

Edit: Also, I don't necessarily agree with Freedom of Speech - I think it needs to be restricted a tad bit, people take it way too far these days.

[iago]

Those all have to do with rights that are often abused/removed from minorities.  As long as you're arguing for a racist government, I think those are important issues. 

[hismajesty]

Those all have to do with rights that are often abused/removed from minorities. As long as you're arguing for a racist government, I think those are important issues.

Let me make my position a bit more clear: The government should focus more of its time against those that pose a bigger threat to the country.

[Forged]

Those all have to do with rights that are often abused/removed from minorities. As long as you're arguing for a racist government, I think those are important issues.

Let me make my position a bit more clear: The government should focus more of its time against those that pose a bigger threat to the country.

Like timothy mcveigh?

[hismajesty]

Those all have to do with rights that are often abused/removed from minorities. As long as you're arguing for a racist government, I think those are important issues.

Let me make my position a bit more clear: The government should focus more of its time against those that pose a bigger threat to the country.

Like timothy mcveigh?

Who happens to be an outlier. Now we need our attention focused on those of middle-eastern decent (specifically 1st or 2nd generation immigrants/those on student visas/etc.) I can furnish evidence that this is the case if you'd like.

[Forged]

Arguing with a person who thinks racism is the best way to go is pointless, so don't worry about it...

Just rember, the social and political climate changes frequentlly.  To set up a discrimantory policy based on race, religon, or ideology is a bad idea.

[hismajesty]

Arguing with a person who thinks racism is the best way to go is pointless, so don't worry about it...

Just rember, the social and political climate changes frequentlly. To set up a discrimantory policy based on race, religon, or ideology is a bad idea.

Obviously. The government enacted a discrimantory policy against Japanese during WWII, because they were the ones that posed a threat - not middle eastern people. But look at today, look at who does. If you saw a white guy, an asian guy, or even a black guy messing with his shoe on an airplane do you think anybody would care? No. They wouldn't.