Law Lets Floridians `Meet Force With Force'

[Hazard]

Our guns are already registered to the owner, not digitally though.  A barcode can be easily removed, easier than a Serial Number that is engraved into the gun itself (which I believe is how our registration works now).

That is in fact our system.

[Adron]

Are you sure that would fix the problem Adron? You know for a fact that would make things "Almost as good as Europe?" What a crock.

No, not sure. One can never be sure about anything. What would eventually end up making it as good as Europe is applying the principle of every gun owner being responsible for his/her gun. Then every time someone is shot, there'll be one more gun owner in the electric chair, and since all guns eventually get stolen, given enough time there'll be no more gun owners. Perfect!

Europeans accuse us of being arrogant. I assert the Europeans are just as guilty. You Europeans treat Americans like second class citizens. Whether you confirm it or not, your demeanor seems to tell me that you view Americans as uncivilized and unintelligent. Thats pretty arrogant if you ask me.

Well, I have been looking at you, and that's probably where I got the idea that Americans are uncivilized and unintelligent. At the same time, I know that there are at least several Americans that are actually very intelligent. Many of them are in vL.

[Hazard]

Are you sure that would fix the problem Adron? You know for a fact that would make things "Almost as good as Europe?" What a crock.

No, not sure. One can never be sure about anything. What would eventually end up making it as good as Europe is applying the principle of every gun owner being responsible for his/her gun. Then every time someone is shot, there'll be one more gun owner in the electric chair, and since all guns eventually get stolen, given enough time there'll be no more gun owners. Perfect!

That is hands down the most ridiculous thing that I've heard yet, keep it coming Adron. In Europe you don't have to be responsible for your guns, the government makes all your decisions for you. DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!

Europeans accuse us of being arrogant. I assert the Europeans are just as guilty. You Europeans treat Americans like second class citizens. Whether you confirm it or not, your demeanor seems to tell me that you view Americans as uncivilized and unintelligent. Thats pretty arrogant if you ask me.

Well, I have been looking at you, and that's probably where I got the idea that Americans are uncivilized and unintelligent. At the same time, I know that there are at least several Americans that are actually very intelligent. Many of them are in vL.

Since your opinion is obviously so meaningful. Fortunately for me, the weight of your opinions is, well, zero. Since you seem to know so much about me, that is. The arrogance again, with your clan OBVIOUSLY having the monopoly on intelligent Americans, and seemingly intelligent people altogether. Very impressive.

[Adron]

No, not sure. One can never be sure about anything. What would eventually end up making it as good as Europe is applying the principle of every gun owner being responsible for his/her gun. Then every time someone is shot, there'll be one more gun owner in the electric chair, and since all guns eventually get stolen, given enough time there'll be no more gun owners. Perfect!

That is hands down the most ridiculous thing that I've heard yet, keep it coming Adron. In Europe you don't have to be responsible for your guns, the government makes all your decisions for you. DANCE PUPPETS DANCE!

Oh, but doesn't it sound like a good idea? In your mind, gun owners are responsible. You won't have a problem with the setup I described. In my mind, gun owners are irresponsible, and will become extinct. Perfect!

Since your opinion is obviously so meaningful. Fortunately for me, the weight of your opinions is, well, zero. Since you seem to know so much about me, that is. The arrogance again, with your clan OBVIOUSLY having the monopoly on intelligent Americans, and seemingly intelligent people altogether. Very impressive.

I know only as much about you as you've shown on this forum. Maybe you should reread what I wrote?

[Hazard]

How is it that you come to the conclusion that all gun owners are irresponsible and therefore guns should be removed from the equation?

Lets follow some more Adron logic. Some people are irresponsible with their automobiles. To fix this problem, all automobiles should be seized by the government and destroyed.

Some more for you: Some people use butcher's knives to murder their spouses and cut them into little pieces. To fix this problem, all knives should be immediately seized by the proper authorities and melted down.

And yes, even more: This one time, I saw an episode of Law and Order where a guy beat a child to death with a baseball bat. Better fix that problem, lets shut down the Louisville Slugger Corporation to make sure that there are no more baseball bats available for such a terrible crime.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Are guns really the problem, or are people the problem? Logically its the people.

To respond, I only know as much about you as you've presented. What do I see? A condescending arrogant socialist jackass who is convinced of a) his superiority in his own way of thinking and b) the infoulability of that superiority.

I think you're just ignorant as to just what the 2nd Amendment gurantees. You don't think it applies to private ownership of weapons, fine. Luckily for all of us who love our freedom, nobody put you in charge, and GOD willing, nobody ever will. Since you suffer from this ignorance, I spent a few moments and found the following website I wish you would consult at some length so you can finally understand what those with authority think about the 2nd Amendment as opposed to what YOU think about it. http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/password/18.html

[CrAz3D]

So, you agree with the death penalty?  That isn't cruel & unusal?  ESPECIALLY the electric chair?...I don't think that the electric chair is used here much if at all anymore...crazy liberal people think someone that is about to have their life ended as punishment should die without pain.

By the logic that all gun owners should be executed if their gun is stolen, wouldn't the same apply to car owners?  People that steal cars get involved in other such illegal activity & there is quite often a police chase involved.  Police chases can end up in the deaths of innocent bystandards.  The only way to hault the gun/car problem would be to cease the making of these items.  & since that would be very uneconomical no one would ever agree to it.  (It also just doesn't make sense)

[EpicOfTimeWasted]

Europeans accuse us of being arrogant. I assert the Europeans are just as guilty. You Europeans treat Americans like second class citizens. Whether you confirm it or not, your demeanor seems to tell me that you view Americans as uncivilized and unintelligent. Thats pretty arrogant if you ask me.

I'm an American, and I think a vast majority of us are uncivilized and unintelligent... not to mention greedy, selfish, litigious, and other adjectives that escape me at the moment.

[Adron]

How is it that you come to the conclusion that all gun owners are irresponsible and therefore guns should be removed from the equation?

Oh, not all, but some. There are little hints, such as you saying illegal, stolen, guns were used in many crimes. You have also claimed that the number of guns circulating in the USA and them getting stolen was not a factor increasing gun usage by criminals.

Either way, if you're correct, and gun owners are responsible, then doing away with gun owners who are irresponsible would mean doing away with noone.

Lets follow some more Adron logic. Some people are irresponsible with their automobiles. To fix this problem, all automobiles should be seized by the government and destroyed.

We already had that discussion on another forum.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Are guns really the problem, or are people the problem? Logically its the people.

OK, so we round up and kill all people?

Either that, or we do our best to reduce the damage capacity of people. I.e. remove guns

To respond, I only know as much about you as you've presented. What do I see? A condescending arrogant socialist jackass who is convinced of a) his superiority in his own way of thinking and b) the infoulability of that superiority.

Well, certain other people have managed to show me errors in my conclusions. I don't think you've ever managed that though?

I think you're just ignorant as to just what the 2nd Amendment gurantees. You don't think it applies to private ownership of weapons, fine. Luckily for all of us who love our freedom, nobody put you in charge, and GOD willing, nobody ever will.

God doesn't want you to have guns. You're going to hell for having guns, they're tools of the devil. And yes, some gun-crazy fanatics (which there are all too many of in America) will read the 2nd Amendment a different way than I do. It's just like reading the bible...

[Adron]

So, you agree with the death penalty?  That isn't cruel & unusal?  ESPECIALLY the electric chair?...I don't think that the electric chair is used here much if at all anymore...crazy liberal people think someone that is about to have their life ended as punishment should die without pain.

That thing about cruel and unusual punishment is something American only. And actually, I don't think the electric chair is particularly cruel. It's currently unusual, but in a near future it might become usual.

The only way to hault the gun/car problem would be to cease the making of these items.  & since that would be very uneconomical no one would ever agree to it.  (It also just doesn't make sense)

Halting the car problem would be uneconomical. Halting the gun problem wouldn't.


Edit: I do think decapitation would be a better punishment.

[CrAz3D]

ooh, I like your view on the electric chair!   People that are being punished SHOULD have to suffer.

Haulting a gun problem would involve collecting ALL guns.  Just about EVERY government has guns.  There is the whole gun black market.  There are the gangs/terrorist groups/guerrillas that are connected to their guns.   Would attempting something like this REALLY be economical?  Sure the US companies could stop making them, but the factories in other countries would just increase production & then it would cost more for regular people to buy.

[Hazard]

The only way to hault the gun/car problem would be to cease the making of these items.  & since that would be very uneconomical no one would ever agree to it.  (It also just doesn't make sense)

Halting the car problem would be uneconomical. Halting the gun problem wouldn't.

That wasn't my quote, get your facts straight.

[Hazard]

Oh, not all, but some. There are little hints, such as you saying illegal, stolen, guns were used in many crimes. You have also claimed that the number of guns circulating in the USA and them getting stolen was not a factor increasing gun usage by criminals.

I never said that when people steal weapons that it isn't a factor in increasing the usage. I said that most weapons are not acquired legally, there is a difference. My weapons are locked in a large gun safe in my home, if they are stolen, how does that make me irresponsible? You're basically saying that because some people are careless, all should be punished. I like your logic.

We already had that discussion on another forum.

And the argument still applies.

OK, so we round up and kill all people?

Thats been the socialist solution in the past.

Either that, or we do our best to reduce the damage capacity of people. I.e. remove guns

And cars, and stabbing weapons, and blunt objects, and hair dryers, and combustible materials, lets just put foam on all sharp corners so nobody pokes themselves in the thigh anymore.

Well, certain other people have managed to show me errors in my conclusions. I don't think you've ever managed that though?

No, its the fact that you have a biased and extremely low opinion of myself due to my views being the polar opposite of yours. You refuse to accept any of my facts as meaningful and feel that anything you say has to be fact.

God doesn't want you to have guns. You're going to hell for having guns, they're tools of the devil. And yes, some gun-crazy fanatics (which there are all too many of in America) will read the 2nd Amendment a different way than I do. It's just like reading the bible...

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And there aren't gun crazy fanatics in Europe? There's a load of shit. You're basically saying that every Supreme Court panel has been made up of gun nuts, and thats just ignorant. You obviously know nothing of the American system, why won't you admit your ignorance Adron?

[EpicOfTimeWasted]

God doesn't want you to have guns. You're going to hell for having guns, they're tools of the devil. And yes, some gun-crazy fanatics (which there are all too many of in America) will read the 2nd Amendment a different way than I do. It's just like reading the bible...

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And there aren't gun crazy fanatics in Europe? There's a load of shit. You're basically saying that every Supreme Court panel has been made up of gun nuts, and thats just ignorant. You obviously know nothing of the American system, why won't you admit your ignorance Adron?

I must have missed the part where Adron mentioned that Europe is 100% free of gun crazy fanatics.  He said there's an over abundance of them in America, not that they're ALL over here.  Seems to me you're ignorant of what his post actually said?

[Adron]

I never said that when people steal weapons that it isn't a factor in increasing the usage. I said that most weapons are not acquired legally, there is a difference. My weapons are locked in a large gun safe in my home, if they are stolen, how does that make me irresponsible? You're basically saying that because some people are careless, all should be punished. I like your logic.

I have suggested two possibilities. One is that since guns aren't really needed, and since they do get stolen and used in violent crimes, removing them would make sure they weren't stolen and used in violent crimes. And no, that doesn't punish anyone. Removing guns isn't punishment, it's prevention. The other alternative was punishment, and in that case only those who are careless would be punished.

And the argument still applies.

It's a different argument, since cars are good and guns are bad.

Thats been the socialist solution in the past.

It's actually happened under many different regimes. It's an American way.

And cars, and stabbing weapons, and blunt objects, and hair dryers, and combustible materials, lets just put foam on all sharp corners so nobody pokes themselves in the thigh anymore.

Actually, putting foam on sharp corners makes sense. I see people do that now and then. Stabbing weapons, yes, absolutely. Blunt objects is a problem though, since virtually everything is a blunt object. Combustible materials, yes, and particularly explosives.

No, its the fact that you have a biased and extremely low opinion of myself due to my views being the polar opposite of yours. You refuse to accept any of my facts as meaningful and feel that anything you say has to be fact.

I accept some of your facts as meaningful. Especially when they don't come from NRA sites.

And there aren't gun crazy fanatics in Europe? There's a load of shit. You're basically saying that every Supreme Court panel has been made up of gun nuts, and thats just ignorant. You obviously know nothing of the American system, why won't you admit your ignorance Adron?

I don't see the connections from that to knowing nothing of the American system? And no, I don't know nothing of the American system. And yes, there are gun crazy fanatics in Europe. We just keep them on a tight leash, as they should be kept.

[Hazard]

It's a different argument, since cars are good and guns are bad.

Any good thing used for the wrong reasons is bad. Thats the stupidest comment you've made so far.

Actually, putting foam on sharp corners makes sense. I see people do that now and then. Stabbing weapons, yes, absolutely. Blunt objects is a problem though, since virtually everything is a blunt object. Combustible materials, yes, and particularly explosives.

You've basically argued for a sterilized world. What would chefs do without knives and cutting instruments? Use superhuman powers to split the meat? You are so far away from reality that you should be shot.

I accept some of your facts as meaningful. Especially when they don't come from NRA sites.

Beacuse any site that has lots of information supporting my argument has to be wrong right?

And no, I don't know nothing of the American system.

Thank you for admitting your total ignorance. I commend you for it. Now, for the future stay out of any argument that deals with American politics or justice since you admittedly know nothing about it.