Free Market vs Socialism

[dxoigmn]

Like freemarket is oppression?

The majority of people in a free market are oppressed.  The rich get richer and the poor poorer.

[MyndFyre note: Split from "Bush is Time's Person of the Year"]

[DOOM]

Well at least communism worked so well to even things out...

[j0k3r]

Like freemarket is oppression?

The majority of people in a free market are oppressed. The rich get richer and the poor poorer.

And yet somehow the world turns.

[CrAz3D]

Forgive if I am wrong, but Hitler's notion was to conquer the world and expand Germany, while Saddam's intentions were otherwise.

What about expanding american capitalism (conquering communism)?

Sounds like someone is a little pro-bad stuff & not enough pro-good stuff.  Communism is a good idea, but in reality we all found out doesn't work.  Why not expand capitalism, it is why any other nation on earth can recieve our outsourced jobs.  If there was no US, we wouldn't need India to do all of our programming & other *-collar jobs.

[quasi-modo]

Like freemarket is oppression?

The majority of people in a free market are oppressed.  The rich get richer and the poor poorer.

What kind of voodoo economics are you talking about? Explain why you think a poor person will get poorer, because that is not the way I was thought... I might have just gotten lucky on the ap if I am wrong about this eh.

[Forged]

Sounds like someone is a little pro-bad stuff & not enough pro-good stuff.  Communism is a good idea, but in reality we all found out doesn't work.  Why not expand capitalism, it is why any other nation on earth can recieve our outsourced jobs.  If there was no US, we wouldn't need India to do all of our programming & other *-collar jobs.

Other countries can out source us because of regulations are put on U.S buisness for good reason.  If you think Lassie Faire is the way to go I suggest you read some Upton Sinclaire.

[quasi-modo]

Sounds like someone is a little pro-bad stuff & not enough pro-good stuff.  Communism is a good idea, but in reality we all found out doesn't work.  Why not expand capitalism, it is why any other nation on earth can recieve our outsourced jobs.  If there was no US, we wouldn't need India to do all of our programming & other *-collar jobs.

Other countries can out source us because of regulations are put on U.S buisness for good reason.  If you think Lassie Faire is the way to go I suggest you read some Upton Sinclaire.

If there are regulations then it corrupts the whole free market theory. If this were a pure market without government regulations outsoursing would not exist. That does not change the fact that capialism works and people are not getting poorer. If you have not noticed our unemployment rate is in the normal range again, those who can't find jobs are those who do not want jobs. Yes I know in the definition of employment to be unemployed you must be looking for a job, but if you can't find any work right now then you are obviously not looking.

Also, I fail to see how the Jungle and other works by a socialist have to do with laissez faire not working. So some people get some toes cut off at a meat factory? Well people would naturally quit buying their meat, they will clean up their act, it all works out naturally. Some regulation is always neccessary to correct the market failiors (like negative externalities) but other then that the market can take care of its self, and it has proven that time and time again.

If you are against free market then you cannot a libertarian, which I believe you claimed to be one time forged. To my knowlege free market conservative economic theories were some core values of the libertarian party.

PS: It is laissez faire, not lassie, some retarded dog  .

[hismajesty]

Like freemarket is oppression?

The majority of people in a free market are oppressed. The rich get richer and the poor poorer.

Yea because, you know, Arnold came over here with millions of dollars in hand.

[Adron]

If this were a pure market without government regulations outsoursing would not exist. That does not change the fact that capialism works and people are not getting poorer. If you have not noticed our unemployment rate is in the normal range again, those who can't find jobs are those who do not want jobs. Yes I know in the definition of employment to be unemployed you must be looking for a job, but if you can't find any work right now then you are obviously not looking.

Umm, I don't think you've carefully thought through what you are saying here. Without regulations, there would be no reason at all for companies not to move as much of their production as possible to India, China or other similar countries.

[Adron]

What exactly does Bush want to conquer? Well, I mean, apart from terrorist spawning grounds. I highly doubt Hitler was opressing Jews/others in order to stop terrorism.

Wasn't that the way jews were made out; terrorists, saboteurs, thieves?

[Mephisto]

Adron was just speculating on how the Germans probably thought of Jews whether it was true or not.  This was probably mostly true though.  But I believe Hitler got rid of them largely because he viewed them as the minority of Germany, and since he was trying to expand Germany and develop nationalism (I may be wrong, but IIRC this is true) he wanted to eradicate the Jews; but he also got rid of the elderly, sick, and others he viewed useless to society.

[quasi-modo]

If this were a pure market without government regulations outsoursing would not exist. That does not change the fact that capialism works and people are not getting poorer. If you have not noticed our unemployment rate is in the normal range again, those who can't find jobs are those who do not want jobs. Yes I know in the definition of employment to be unemployed you must be looking for a job, but if you can't find any work right now then you are obviously not looking.

Umm, I don't think you've carefully thought through what you are saying here. Without regulations, there would be no reason at all for companies not to move as much of their production as possible to India, China or other similar countries.

Without regulation there would be no need for them to.

[Adron]

Umm, I don't think you've carefully thought through what you are saying here. Without regulations, there would be no reason at all for companies not to move as much of their production as possible to India, China or other similar countries.

Without regulation there would be no need for them to.

Actually, there would. That's what people from the western civilization forget when they imagine how much better things would be without regulation.

[quasi-modo]

Umm, I don't think you've carefully thought through what you are saying here. Without regulations, there would be no reason at all for companies not to move as much of their production as possible to India, China or other similar countries.

Without regulation there would be no need for them to.

Actually, there would. That's what people from the western civilization forget when they imagine how much better things would be without regulation.

You are wrong adron. Without regulation, without price floors like minimum wage the market would reach an quilibrium on its own and companies would not save any money by having facilities over seas.

I guess I should expect you to reject and not give these freemarket economic principles a chance if you have rejected them all of your life being a socialist... you like the government to handle your cash.

[dxoigmn]

Well at least communism worked so well to even things out...

Never been tested.  There really has never been a *true* communist country.  Whether or not this is a testament that communism doesn't work is arguable.