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Quote from: Maddox on March 28, 2004, 01:46 PM
Illegal reverse engineering techniques were used to create the BNLS server.

Prove it.

The server?  No.  Things that violate the Blizzard / Battle.net Terms of Service to implement the logon types?  Yes.

Quote from: iago on March 28, 2004, 01:51 PM

Quote from: Maddox on March 28, 2004, 01:46 PM
Illegal reverse engineering techniques were used to create the BNLS server.

Prove it.

Yeah, if you can't prove it you have no case

Quote from: Raihan on March 28, 2004, 02:11 PM
The server?  No.  Things that violate the Blizzard / Battle.net Terms of Service to implement the logon types?  Yes.

Exactly.  And I would contend that for each copy of the software you buy, you are buying a separate, distinct agreement.  My clan funded my purchase of a second CD key, so we could leave a bot on 24/7.  If I am violating the terms of use on that key,  then they have the right to deny me service, as I am in fact violating their terms of service agreement.  BUT -- they can't deny service to my other key(s), and I can just as well go out and buy a new key.

Quote from: iago on March 28, 2004, 01:28 PM
Ouch, I can't wait to see replies to that.

First, it's not illegal.  Making a bot is not illegal.  Yes, it violates their EULA, but that doesn't make it illegal.

Secondly, as soon as somebody writes software it's copyrighted unless they state otherwise.  Stealing software = copyright violation.

I welcome somebody else who knows more about this to reply, though

That is correct, iago.  Any work is copyrighted immediately upon the writing -- it doesn't even have to be published.  You can register your copyright with the US Copyright Office, but if you can prove that you wrote something, and someone else stole it from you, your case depends on how well you can prove that it is yours.

The thing is, the reversed Warcraft 3 code is copyrighted by Blizzard so any attempt to use it on BNLS is infact, copyright infringement.

The point I was making is that you can't reverse another company's code, call it your own, and copyright it.

Actually there is considerable leeway granted people with respect to reverse engineering.  In this case they arent making a competing product so reversing the logon in order to emulate it is perfectly legal.

http://www.digital-law-online.com/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html

Edit: Reference included

Quote from: Telos on March 28, 2004, 04:16 PM
Actually there is considerable leeway granted people with respect to reverse engineering.  In this case they arent making a competing product so reversing the logon in order to emulate it is perfectly legal.

http://www.digital-law-online.com/lpdi1.0/treatise25.html

Edit: Reference included

The reversed code is still copyrighted by the original creater, so I doubt Skywing could say that the war3 logon part of the BNLS code is (C) him and therefore anyone using it is infringing upon his copyright.

How do you know he reversed it? How do you know he didn't obtain the WarCraft 3 algorithms from a Blizzard insider?

Quote from: iago on March 28, 2004, 11:40 AMLet's see, most people know my name, I don't have my SSN handy, nobody, can't count that high, no, not enough, blank, etc.

I was asking Denial, not you  

But even so, would you feel safe if everyone in the world knew your social security number, your bank account and the associated PIN number, your date of birth, and your parents' full names? Just those together could screw you for life if put in the wrong hands.

Use your SSN to do things in your name. If people ask for your date of birth or your mother's surname as confirmation that you're who you are, then they've got it. Also, with your bank account information(s), people could withdraw a fair amount of your money (if not all).

Of course, you could go to the police with all this, but it's still a BIG hassle if it happens. My mom had this happen to her a few years ago when her purse was stolen, and we're still feeling the affects of it.

Quote from: tA-Kane on March 28, 2004, 05:09 PM
But even so, would you feel safe if everyone in the world knew your social security number, your bank account and the associated PIN number, your date of birth, and your parents' full names? Just those together could screw you for life if put in the wrong hands.

Use your SSN to do things in your name. If people ask for your date of birth or your mother's surname as confirmation that you're who you are, then they've got it. Also, with your bank account information(s), people could withdraw a fair amount of your money (if not all).

Of course, you could go to the police with all this, but it's still a BIG hassle if it happens. My mom had this happen to her a few years ago when her purse was stolen, and we're still feeling the affects of it.

Well, assuming everyone in the world could get access to yours, you could get access to someone else's, and steal things from them.

Money doesn't HAVE to be left in the bank, so if everyone knew your bank code you could just withdraw it and close the account.

As for the parents and date of birth, the easiest way to prevent that is to make a good password that you memorize, or when it asks for your mother's maiden name put one of your more common passwords or something.

He didn't steal any wc3 code...he examined it and wrote his own.

Or Blizzard didn't write it them self and are using other hashing algorithms available on the web!

Sure why not lets see them come to greenland and do this kind of stuff and i dont have a ss we greenlanders dont have that kind of stuff we have snowboard though does that count?


Anyway back to the subject i dont care i have it case closed if you wanna sue me then go right ahead

Besides grok or skywing you guys are hiding why dont you just plainly admit that i have the code this whole silence thing is boring


Im pretty sure i could sell the code on ebay and ebay wouldnt take it off

We all know that Blizzard stole it from Skywing/Yoni.

Quote from: hismajesty on March 28, 2004, 05:56 PM
We all know that Blizzard stole it from Skywing/Yoni.

Obviously!

Quote from: Maddox on March 28, 2004, 03:37 PM
The thing is, the reversed Warcraft 3 code is copyrighted by Blizzard so any attempt to use it on BNLS is infact, copyright infringement.

The point I was making is that you can't reverse another company's code, call it your own, and copyright it.

You have it backwards, Maddox.  Reverse-engineering, involving examining how a product works and implementing it yourself, is legal.  Using the original source from Blizzard would be illegal, because it would be copyrighted.