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Quote from: Tuberload on May 23, 2004, 08:22 PM

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 23, 2004, 07:41 PM

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Quote from: jigsaw on May 23, 2004, 05:01 PM
You guys have no clue what *actually* is going on.

Last I heard, Americans were sexually abusing Iraqis?  But Americans are so much better than them.

You can't classify a nation by a few of its people. I am sure there are Canadians out there sexualy abusing people...

Uhh, isn't that exactly what americans are doing in Iraq?

You said Americans were sexualy abusing Iraqi's which is true, but then you said Americans as a whole are much better than them. You compared a few with a nation, that's my point.

People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things.  You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.  

Quote from: j0k3r on May 15, 2004, 09:17 PM
[edit]I have an iraqi in my class, and after seeing that video I hated him, but the feelings dissipated quite quickly after talking to him. You have to realize that they are not all like this, it is a stereotype of some extremeists, just like canada's igloo people and american hicks, just because they exist does not mean the whole country is like that.[/edit]

Now this thread is just going in circles.

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things.  You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.  

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.

Jigsaw are you mentally retarted?
You have the mental capacity of my five year old brother...

Don't judge a book by its cover.

Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.

Quote from: Tuberload on May 23, 2004, 09:32 PM

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things.  You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.  

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.

But if you support the war on Iraq, then that's probably what you're doing.  

Quote from: The-Rabid-Lord on May 24, 2004, 02:22 AM
Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.

Not going to war can be wrong, too.  Ask Europe their opinion on the United States entering war in WWI.  They're probably still blaming it on the Americans for not joining until 6 months before it was over.  (Or 10 years before it was over if we did not enter and end it).

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 24, 2004, 03:13 AM

Quote from: Tuberload on May 23, 2004, 09:32 PM

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things.  You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.  

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.

But if you support the war on Iraq, then that's probably what you're doing.  

I support the removal of a dictator, not war on a race.

Quote from: Tuberload on May 24, 2004, 09:22 AM

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 24, 2004, 03:13 AM

Quote from: Tuberload on May 23, 2004, 09:32 PM

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 23, 2004, 08:53 PM
People are talking about all the horrible things "Iraqis do" -- but Americans also do horrible things.  You can't judge a race based on the actions of some of them.  

You just restated my point from another perspective. I never said you can judge a race based on the actions of a few, just like you can't judge a nation based on the actions of a few.

But if you support the war on Iraq, then that's probably what you're doing.  

I support the removal of a dictator, not war on a race.

How can 9/11 possibly be a reason for a war, then?

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 24, 2004, 11:16 AM
How can 9/11 possibly be a reason for a war, then?

I will provide a short answer for my reasoning. I don't want to start another huge conversation on this subject.

9/11 was an act of terrorism. Terrorists cannot be classified by a race or nation, but there are specific nations out there that harbor and support terrorists willingly. While I will never support a war against a race, I will support a war against a nation that I feel harbors, or supports terrorists. I feel, based off of the research I have done, that Saddam supported terrorists.

I also feel that since we went in and removed Saddam from power that we are obligated to help Iraq rebuild. I do not however believe we have the right to control the country. That is why I hope the transfer of power stays on schedule, and we step back to helping with security.

I look at it this way: war isn't pretty, and people can condemn the US all they want for what is going on in Iraq, but nothing was going to change for the Iraqi citizens with Saddam in power. At least they have a chance now to become a free nation. People can't expect things to change over night; they can only hope that those in power do not abuse that power. Whether the US led coalition is abusing that power or not is another debate, but one thing is certain, soon Iraq will govern itself and be presented with the opportunity to make a new life for themselves. A life that was not allowed while Saddam was in power.

More on the subject of terrorism, I feel one of the biggest things that can help combat it, is not to support it. While there are countries out there supporting terrorism, there will be wars fought.

Quote from: Forged on May 23, 2004, 11:03 PM
Jigsaw are you mentally retarted?
You have the mental capacity of my five year old brother...

You can't even spell retarded, you're in no position to talk. You also don't give any reason/explanation for saying this.

Quote from: Grok on May 24, 2004, 06:03 AM

Quote from: The-Rabid-Lord on May 24, 2004, 02:22 AM
Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.

Not going to war can be wrong, too.  Ask Europe their opinion on the United States entering war in WWI.  They're probably still blaming it on the Americans for not joining until 6 months before it was over.  (Or 10 years before it was over if we did not enter and end it).

WWII was just however. If you ask anyone Hitler was a monster. I think America was poor not to come in yet as soon as we were called for about a year and a half ago our pupet of a leader jumped at the chance to plunge us into a war that was against America.

QuoteYou also don't give any reason/explanation for saying this.

I thought what he said spoke for itself, but...

Quotebelieve we need to pull all our troops out, put these middle easterners in internment camps, nuke the whole fucking middle east. FUCK THESE SAND NIGGERS

Do I need to explain this one?

QuoteHe is an American Citizen. Take that link off of this website please. People dont need to see that.

I don't understand wht him being an American Citizen has to do with the price of tea in China but...

QuoteAll I know is that I am an American Citizen what happen on 9/11/2001 is unacceptable and I dont care if we have to take out everyone who has anything remotely to do with it

Well lets go after the Saudis, wait no they are our friends, lets forget about that 19 of the terrorist were Saudis...

Quoteand there are too many tree hugger hippies that think bloodshed is a final alternative, but ill tell you its the way of the wild and thats how it is. And by damnit America will stand its own.

So killing people makes them want to stop killing us, great logic there cheif.

QuoteThere are ties from 911 to iraq

Where are these ties at?

QuoteAtleast we make a concious effort towards a common goal

So even if it is wrong we should still work toward a common goal?  Why don't we ummm like maybe think of a beter solution first?

As for myself spelling retarded wrong, I never said I was not also retarded.

Quote from: The-Rabid-Lord on May 24, 2004, 12:36 PM

Quote from: Grok on May 24, 2004, 06:03 AM

Quote from: The-Rabid-Lord on May 24, 2004, 02:22 AM
Im not American im British but even i can see that we are just as bad as the people beheading the guy in Iraq. This is because our citizens in the army(not all but some) are torturing prisoners out there. If you say your country is wonderful then your wrong no country is except that that does not go to war.

Not going to war can be wrong, too.  Ask Europe their opinion on the United States entering war in WWI.  They're probably still blaming it on the Americans for not joining until 6 months before it was over.  (Or 10 years before it was over if we did not enter and end it).

WWII was just however. If you ask anyone Hitler was a monster. I think America was poor not to come in yet as soon as we were called for about a year and a half ago our pupet of a leader jumped at the chance to plunge us into a war that was against America.

Oh don't even start.  Europe as much as ignored Hitler rolling over Poland.  No European has any room to complain, in that regards, about the United States not joining until 1942.  Besides, Europe created a Germany in which Hitler's crap could thrive.  France and England were dead-set to punish Germany and make them pay deadly for the millions of lives, money, and resources lost in WWI.  They weren't going to let Germany rebuild at all, forcing it to stay in perpetual poverty and generally unlivable conditions.  After years of that, I might follow anyone promising to get me out of that way of living.  Europe is so quick to blame the United States for problems that Europe's provincialism, secret alliances, stockpiling of weapons, and paranoia had created.