Paternalism in the US

MyndFyre · March 08, 2004, 06:57 PM

Quote from: Telos on March 04, 2004, 06:12 PM
What right does the state have to step in and tell me what I can and cannot do to myself?

Even John Locke, who is the thinker from which libertarianism comes, said that it is not within a person's rights to do something that would hurt themselves (that may be more specific as to killing themselves; I know with certainty that he said it was not within someone's rights to take his/her own life).

Moonshine · March 08, 2004, 08:29 PM

That's irrelevant though.. what IS relevant is whether he's right or not, lol

Hitmen · March 08, 2004, 11:33 PM

Quote from: Moonshine on March 08, 2004, 08:29 PM
That's irrelevant though.. what IS relevant is whether he's right or not, lol

Which, of course, is subjective depending on who you ask.

DarkMinion · March 08, 2004, 11:49 PM

There's a reason none of you are in positions of authority and never will be.

muert0 · March 09, 2004, 01:01 AM

Yep, I'm a criminal. But, it's ok to do legal mind altering drugs.

Grok · March 09, 2004, 06:20 AM

Quote from: DarkMinion on March 08, 2004, 11:49 PM
There's a reason none of you are in positions of authority and never will be.

Exactly, because drug users could never be like, mayor of Washington, D.C.

Telos · March 09, 2004, 07:15 AM

Or president of the United States for that matter

Grok · March 09, 2004, 09:38 AM

Quote from: Telos on March 09, 2004, 07:15 AM
Or president of the United States for that matter

We had a President who abused drugs?

Telos · March 09, 2004, 10:11 AM

Maybe not abused but certainly used

Moonshine · March 09, 2004, 10:56 AM

Quote from: DarkMinion on March 08, 2004, 11:49 PM
I love you and want to have your babies, DM.

Last I looked, this wasn't a debate about whether we wanted to be in authority positions or not..?

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Posted by: Hitmen Posted on: Yesterday at 11:33:23pm
Quote from: Moonshine on Yesterday at 08:29:09pm
That's irrelevant though.. what IS relevant is whether he's right or not, lol

Which, of course, is subjective depending on who you ask.

Not necessarily; if given enough facts at the base of an issue, one can form an opinion almost completely based on objectivity. There is of course, a certain level of subjectivity in almost all of one's opinions pertaining to philosophically related premises -- but this of course is to be expected. It comes with the ground. However, if someone were to give you a convincing argument (based on objectivity) on something philosophical, one would be so inclined to accept it -- as long as the arguments were sound.

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MyndFyre · March 11, 2004, 09:26 PM

Quote from: DarkMinion on March 08, 2004, 11:49 PM
There's a reason none of you are in positions of authority and never will be.

mahahahahaha you will see! one day I will rule you all!

Grok will be my technology advisor....

Hrm, I'd have to hire vL to be my elite hax0rz team.