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Quote from: Adron on March 16, 2004, 04:18 PMMy logic tells me that our existence has no higher purpose. Logically, with the huge amount of randomness available, eventually some form of intelligent life will appear just out of pure chance.

On what do you base that assertion?  You're not even suggesting there's a chance of intelligent life, you're saying it will happen.  Clarify?

10,000 monkeys pounding away at typewriters for 10,000 years will not produce the combined works of Shaekespeare.  MIT proved this by experiment recently.  N monkeys at keyboards for N weeks failed to produce a single line of coherent writing.  "By pure chance" they should have.

Quote from: Grok on March 16, 2004, 04:23 PM

Quote from: Adron on March 16, 2004, 04:18 PMMy logic tells me that our existence has no higher purpose. Logically, with the huge amount of randomness available, eventually some form of intelligent life will appear just out of pure chance.

On what do you base that assertion?  You're not even suggesting there's a chance of intelligent life, you're saying it will happen.  Clarify?

I'm basing that on the assumption that what we call time will actually go on infinitely, and that as it does so, everything that can happen will happen. Since intelligent life obviously can happen, it will.

Quote from: Grok on March 16, 2004, 04:23 PM
10,000 monkeys pounding away at typewriters for 10,000 years will not produce the combined works of Shaekespeare.  MIT proved this by experiment recently.  N monkeys at keyboards for N weeks failed to produce a single line of coherent writing.  "By pure chance" they should have.

10000 monkeys for 10000 years is probably just not infinite enough. Also, in any test of something random that only runs for a limited time, chance can cause it to fail. What you get by running something a certain time is a probability that something will happen.

A line of 80 characters from a 102 key keyboard would mean 4,875e+160 possible combinations. If a few million of those are coherent writing, then a monkey has about one chance in 1e-154 to produce a line of coherent writing. If a monkey types one character per second, the chance of 10000 monkeys producing a line of coherent writing in 10000 years would be about one in 3e-139. With those odds, you can't expect them to produce shakespeares combined works. You need to give them more time to work with.

So when you say "eventually some form of intelligent life will appear", you implied an infinitely sufficient limit.  If you were estimating how long is sufficient, in the same way you estimated with the monkeys, what would it be for intelligent life?

So wait, you mean you've come up with a way to explain the existence or the non-existence of God through logic? Please share it with us Adron.

Quote from: Grok on March 16, 2004, 05:48 PM
So when you say "eventually some form of intelligent life will appear", you implied an infinitely sufficient limit.  If you were estimating how long is sufficient, in the same way you estimated with the monkeys, what would it be for intelligent life?

I can't answer that because I don't have enough data to make any reasonable estimate of the number. I don't even have enough data to estimate how long is sufficient for any form of "life" to develop. I'm sure that others have estimated the probability of life though.

Quote from: Hazard on March 16, 2004, 07:41 PM
So wait, you mean you've come up with a way to explain the existence or the non-existence of God through logic? Please share it with us Adron.

No, I haven't come up with a way to explain the existence or non-existence of God. The existence of God isn't required, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It somewhat depends on what you put into "God" too.

Quote from: Adron on March 16, 2004, 04:18 PM
Everything is indeed logical.

If this were true, why can't you logically explain to me the existence or non-existence of God?

Quote from: Hazard on March 17, 2004, 02:48 PM

Quote from: Adron on March 16, 2004, 04:18 PM
Everything is indeed logical.

If this were true, why can't you logically explain to me the existence or non-existence of God?

Because I don't have enough data.

So you don't actually know that everything is logical, its really just your opinion?

Quote from: Hazard on March 17, 2004, 03:50 PM
So you don't actually know that everything is logical, its really just your opinion?

Put it this way: Not every statement is logical, but every correct statement is logical. Some wrong statements aren't logical and can then be easily spotted. Correct statements are logical, but may not seem logical until you understand them.

Quote from: Adron on March 17, 2004, 05:04 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 17, 2004, 03:50 PM
So you don't actually know that everything is logical, its really just your opinion?

Put it this way: Not every statement is logical, but every correct statement is logical. Some wrong statements aren't logical and can then be easily spotted. Correct statements are logical, but may not seem logical until you understand them.

Not everything can be logically explained, but that doesn't make them wrong.

Quote from: Hazard on March 17, 2004, 05:30 PM

Quote from: Adron on March 17, 2004, 05:04 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 17, 2004, 03:50 PM
So you don't actually know that everything is logical, its really just your opinion?

Put it this way: Not every statement is logical, but every correct statement is logical. Some wrong statements aren't logical and can then be easily spotted. Correct statements are logical, but may not seem logical until you understand them.

Not everything can be logically explained, but that doesn't make them wrong.

Examplify please?

I'm just wondering not that this has anything to do with the topic but, Adron do you believe in God?

You base a lot of your assumptions on logic (not saying it's a bad thing).

(Since there really is no proof that God does exist)

You cant logically explain such a thing as the existence of God for example. People have been trying for centuries to no avail.

Quote from: SNiFFeR on March 17, 2004, 06:01 PM
I'm just wondering not that this has anything to do with the topic but, Adron do you believe in God?

You base a lot of your assumptions on logic (not saying it's a bad thing).

(Since there really is no proof that God does exist)

No, I don't believe in God in the way believers should. I don't believe in the existence of God. I believe that "God" is a tool people use to help them get through life - to encourage, to scare, to explain.