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Title: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on April 23, 2008, 02:11 AM
Hey,

Anyone else picking this up?  I definitely am...looks good, although almost a Crysis of MMO's for sure.  Still trying to get into the beta, signing up for all these contests and shit.
My guild and I are going to wreck some face!
Largescale pvp ftw.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on April 23, 2008, 08:55 AM
yeah, i'll be getting it. im just looking forward to the nice graphics in a new mmo. wow's graphics look pretty bad now days, and yes im running it at full settings.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on April 25, 2008, 04:18 AM
anyone have a fileplanet sub, get a key or whatever? :p
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 06, 2008, 05:40 PM
Let me know how it compares to the quality of WoW. I would jump ship on WoW if this game is what it says it is.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on May 07, 2008, 02:09 AM
You need a decent computer to run it.  Run it in XP.  If it's in Vista, you need to have a monster computer to run it in dx10.
It's absolutely BEAUTIFUL, but is the Crysis of MMO's.
I got into the closed beta :P  NDA!
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 07, 2008, 04:21 AM
Quote from: cefx- on May 07, 2008, 02:09 AM
You need a decent computer to run it.  Run it in XP.  If it's in Vista, you need to have a monster computer to run it in dx10.
It's absolutely BEAUTIFUL, but is the Crysis of MMO's.
I got into the closed beta :P  NDA!

Umm... the game went gold and is about to come out. What are you talking about NDA?!

NDA has been lifted.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 07, 2008, 10:34 AM
i think he means hes a member of the national dance association, and they hooked him up with the beta membership. :P
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 07, 2008, 01:45 PM
Quote from: betawarz on May 07, 2008, 10:34 AM
i think he means hes a member of the national dance association, and they hooked him up with the beta membership. :P

Well, in that case, he better not say anything about anything!
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on May 10, 2008, 05:28 AM
ummm no the nda hasn't been lifted for anything beyond level 20.
we can't say much beyond what we've experienced 1-20 :P
i'm in the closed general beta, not the fileplanet open beta.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 10, 2008, 07:14 PM
Quote from: cefx- on May 10, 2008, 05:28 AM
ummm no the nda hasn't been lifted for anything beyond level 20.
we can't say much beyond what we've experienced 1-20 :P
i'm in the closed general beta, not the fileplanet open beta.

Ok. So what will they do to you if you say something? Kick you out until May 20th?

Thats harsh  ::)
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 10, 2008, 07:26 PM
did they ever fix up whatever you said was going to be a problem? the pvp system, or something? i remember you mentioning that one of the aspects of the game heavily outweighted the other in popularity, unintentionally.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on May 10, 2008, 08:44 PM
they've fixed the client a lot.

I'm still on the fence, but I'm going to buy it n try it.  Just one more week till we find out!
It'll be tough to tell, but the games success or failure should be known by the end of May.

The only concern right now is how buggy the endgame content - sieging, 24man raids, and player building/crafting - may or may not be.  We know their Q&A team is good, and that they have a lot of internal testers, as well as a large dev staff...
We know they're efficient.

On the other hand, their record with Anarchy Online is not good.

My two cents are betting on success - but I said the same thing about Fury, and it flopped hard.  This game has at least 20-30 times the number of people in beta, and waiting to buy it.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 11, 2008, 02:12 AM
yeah, my guess to be honest is that conan flops, but not as quick as fury. conan wont be able to hold people away from wotlk, or warhammer. i say conan has no chance against those two. hell, even im going to go back to my rogue when wotlk comes out. ill be wow all the way. ill subscribe to conan for a month atleast, though.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 11, 2008, 06:18 PM
Last night at a b-day party I spoke to a friend who is in the AoC beta. He told me that he thinks AoC will flop due to a significant amount of unresolved problems.

I am in the WAR beta and in its present form WAR is a failure. Why other developers can't live up to the Blizzard standards is a mystery. Maybe we are just going to be stuck with WoW (as the best mmo) until late 2010 when World of Diablo comes out. :)

Lets just play SC2 until then.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: disco on May 11, 2008, 06:37 PM
Quote from: Invert on May 11, 2008, 06:18 PM
Maybe we are just going to be stuck with WoW (as the best mmo) until late 2010 when World of Diablo comes out. :)

Don't toy with me!
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 11, 2008, 07:43 PM
I won't buy it until I get confirmed that it is good to go. :)
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 13, 2008, 01:48 AM
Quote from: vuther.de on May 11, 2008, 07:43 PM
I won't buy it until I get confirmed that it is good to go. :)

That should be a good rule with MMO's. Don't buy until it's confirmed to be at least as good as WoW.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Joe[x86] on May 14, 2008, 04:19 AM
Quote from: Invert on May 13, 2008, 01:48 AM
Quote from: vuther.de on May 11, 2008, 07:43 PM
I won't buy it until I get confirmed that it is good to go. :)

That should be a good rule with MMO's. Don't buy until it's confirmed to be at least as good as WoW.

And that would put (MMO companies - 1) out of business. :)
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 14, 2008, 02:01 PM
Quote from: Joex86] link=topic=17464.msg178269#msg178269 date=1210756758]
And that would put (MMO companies - 1) out of business. :)

Make a good game or go out of business. That sounds right to me.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: disco on May 14, 2008, 03:03 PM
So when's Guild Wars 2 coming out?
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Joe[x86] on May 14, 2008, 03:06 PM
Quote from: Invert on May 14, 2008, 02:01 PM
Quote from: Joex86] link=topic=17464.msg178269#msg178269 date=1210756758]
And that would put (MMO companies - 1) out of business. :)

Make a good game or go out of business. That sounds right to me.

Hence the :)
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 14, 2008, 06:04 PM
Is AoC going to be cheaper than WoW?
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Newby on May 14, 2008, 07:33 PM
If you can't afford $0.50 a day you've got issues. I could bum twice that off of my friends on a *regular* basis.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 15, 2008, 12:48 AM
DUDES... 5 DAYS
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 15, 2008, 01:06 PM
4.5 DAYS
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 15, 2008, 01:39 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 14, 2008, 07:33 PM
If you can't afford $0.50 a day you've got issues. I could bum twice that off of my friends on a *regular* basis.

You only say that because you have never tried it.

As an experiment, bum 50 cents every day and see how easy it really is. If you feel like walking on the wild side try "twice that" (that would be a $1) and see if you can do it every day. Do this for a month and see if you have enough to pay for an MMO. You must bum $0.50 or $1 EVERY DAY and not just go and ask your friend for $15 or $30.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 01:41 PM
Quote from: Invert on May 15, 2008, 01:39 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 14, 2008, 07:33 PM
If you can't afford $0.50 a day you've got issues. I could bum twice that off of my friends on a *regular* basis.

You only say that because you have never tried it.

And you have?
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 15, 2008, 01:42 PM
Quote from: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 01:41 PM
And you have?

Never. But I don't think bumming 50 cents a day from friends is easy. They will wonder why and then they will stop giving you the 50 cents. That is my prediction at least.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 01:44 PM
Quote from: Invert on May 15, 2008, 01:42 PM
Quote from: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 01:41 PM
And you have?

Never. But I don't think bumming 50 cents a day from friends is easy. They will wonder why and then they will stop giving you the 50 cents. That is my prediction at least.

Probably not, but I also don't think $15 a month is very expensive. I personally use the prepaid option for World of Warcraft, I stop and start playing a lot so it's much more friendly on my wallet.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 15, 2008, 05:11 PM
Quote from: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 01:44 PM
Probably not, but I also don't think $15 a month is very expensive. I personally use the prepaid option for World of Warcraft, I stop and start playing a lot so it's much more friendly on my wallet.

I agree, $15 a month is not very expensive. I just doubted his bumming strategy would ever work and thought it would make for an interesting experiment.

Newbie: Try responding again; this time use your intellect and without the insults.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 15, 2008, 05:44 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say fifteen bucks a month is expensive. There's no way I'd pay nearly two hundred dollars a year just to play a game, no matter how fun it is.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 15, 2008, 05:53 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 15, 2008, 05:44 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say fifteen bucks a month is expensive. There's no way I'd pay nearly two hundred dollars a year just to play a game, no matter how fun it is.

This is also fair to say. All of this depends on the individual's financial situation.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 06:48 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 15, 2008, 05:44 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say fifteen bucks a month is expensive. There's no way I'd pay nearly two hundred dollars a year just to play a game, no matter how fun it is.

Read the second part of my post.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 15, 2008, 09:05 PM
Whether or not you're paying $180 every year is not the point. I'm saying that a $180/year, while the same statistic as $15/month, seems like a lot more, and in my opinion, better puts the cost in perspective.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 15, 2008, 11:14 PM
But if you really enjoy the game, that $180 is worth it. Then again like Invert said, it also depends on your financial situation.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 15, 2008, 11:18 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 15, 2008, 09:05 PM
Whether or not you're paying $180 every year is not the point. I'm saying that a $180/year, while the same statistic as $15/month, seems like a lot more, and in my opinion, better puts the cost in perspective.

Again, read the second part of my quote. WoW offers a prepaid option. You buy minutes when you want to play.
If you dont play a lot, this is a much cheaper option. I guarantee you I don't pay anywhere near $180 a year.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 16, 2008, 02:18 AM
wtf does prepaid have to do with anything. it's not cheaper. you're still paying $15 for a month of prepaid time. (if youre talking about the cards). i pay monthly with my credit card, and i'll cancel it every other month. i pay when i want to pay. prepaid is more liek blowing it, if you ask me, because it's 2-3 months back to back, when im only paying for a month, then skipping a month, then paying for another whenever i want. WTF WARRIOR. L2BRAIN.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 16, 2008, 02:42 AM
Beta, what he's saying is he doesn't pay for the time he doesn't use. What he doesn't seem to realize is that the rate is still the same: $180 for 525,600 minutes, whether they're used in a row or not. I don't think that price is justifiable for a video game, but then again, I place very little value in any game.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 16, 2008, 05:00 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 16, 2008, 02:42 AM
What he doesn't seem to realize is that the rate is still the same: $180 for 525,600 minutes.

With price also comes usage, my method allows you to pay-as-you-use (as opposed to the method warz uses, which is recurring and one slip up and forget to hit "Cancel" and you've got a double charge, additionally my method makes a great gift :)). There's a huge difference in paying $15 a month and not even playing some months, as opposed to paying as you go and paying only what you play for.

I wasnt attacking the final cost, it's static. I was attacking your figure which with my method becomes invalidated, since it can potentially be $180 spread over more than a year -- which I'm certain is the case for me.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 16, 2008, 05:04 PM
I think the problem is you're saying that a per year statistic is over the course of a single year, whereas I view it as an allotment of time, with no regard to whether or not its broken up. Meaning, you see it as a real "year" when I see it as a quantity of time.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 16, 2008, 05:55 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 16, 2008, 05:04 PM
I think the problem is you're saying that a per year statistic is over the course of a single year, whereas I view it as an allotment of time, with no regard to whether or not its broken up. Meaning, you see it as a real "year" when I see it as a quantity of time.

That's a really weird and misleading way to look at data.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 16, 2008, 06:23 PM
That's the way businesses tend to do things.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 16, 2008, 06:34 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 16, 2008, 06:23 PM
That's the way businesses tend to do things.

Completely irrelevant, but ok.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 17, 2008, 04:00 AM
ive never forgotten to cancel. only a noob would be dumb enough to do that. besides, its annoying to have to run to the store to buy more lame prepaid nigger cards. im white, i have a credit card.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 17, 2008, 10:09 AM
Quote from: betawarz on May 17, 2008, 04:00 AM
ive never forgotten to cancel. only a noob would be dumb enough to do that. besides, its annoying to have to run to the store to buy more lame prepaid nigger cards. im white, i have a credit card.

Lol, you try so hard.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 17, 2008, 07:19 PM
i do what i do. been pimpin since pimpin been pimpin
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 17, 2008, 07:43 PM
You do realize you just insulted white people... Credit cards are horrible. Anyone with sense only uses Debit.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 17, 2008, 07:45 PM
Quote from: betawarz on May 17, 2008, 07:19 PM
i do what i do. been pimpin since pimpin been pimpin

yous an assistant pimp
repeat after me

whez mah bitches
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 17, 2008, 08:21 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 17, 2008, 07:43 PM
You do realize you just insulted white people... Credit cards are horrible. Anyone with sense only uses Debit.

i thought the same thing until i got a job paying 70k a year while im in college. i have more money than i can handle right now. credit cards are just as easy.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 17, 2008, 08:31 PM
Spending money you don't have is always easy.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 17, 2008, 09:30 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 17, 2008, 08:31 PM
Spending money you don't have is always easy.

Credit cards are pretty useful if you use them responsibly, unfortunately most college kids don't.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 18, 2008, 01:58 PM
Quote from: betawarz on May 17, 2008, 08:21 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 17, 2008, 07:43 PM
You do realize you just insulted white people... Credit cards are horrible. Anyone with sense only uses Debit.

i thought the same thing until i got a job paying 70k a year while im in college. i have more money than i can handle right now. credit cards are just as easy.
What job is that? I'm getting your job when I go to college.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Newby on May 19, 2008, 09:37 AM
Quote from: Warrior on May 17, 2008, 09:30 PM
Quote from: Andy on May 17, 2008, 08:31 PM
Spending money you don't have is always easy.

Credit cards are pretty useful if you use them responsibly, unfortunately most college kids don't.

For real.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 19, 2008, 01:16 PM
Quote from: vuther.de on May 18, 2008, 01:58 PM
What job is that? I'm getting your job when I go to college.

Well, I'm almost out of college. I work at Nortel doing network protocol design, analysis and implementation for some future 4G (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G) phone implementations. I'm new to the company, and am really just learning the ropes. Most coding is done on linux, in C, and then debugged using cell phone platform emulators. Sorry vuther, no visual basic is used. :P
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 19, 2008, 01:44 PM
Um...yeah.

So how is Age of Conan?
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 20, 2008, 01:15 PM
let it be known - this game is badass

Server: Deathwhisper
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 20, 2008, 09:57 PM
Price of game and subscription?
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 20, 2008, 10:02 PM
games like 50, and its 15 a month. you get first month free, though. you can easily get real high level in a month, too, and see if you like it.

i got it this morning, and have been playing pretty relaxed... and i'm almost 20. max level is 80.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 21, 2008, 02:09 AM
Quote from: betawarz on May 20, 2008, 10:02 PM
games like 50, and its 15 a month. you get first month free, though. you can easily get real high level in a month, too, and see if you like it.

i got it this morning, and have been playing pretty relaxed... and i'm almost 20. max level is 80.

You are almost 20?! Nice...soon you will be able to play the MMO part.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 21, 2008, 02:00 PM
i was focusing more on the fact that this game isn't just a grind session, like wow is. i played for probably a solid 2-3 hours, and got that far.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 21, 2008, 07:25 PM
Quote from: betawarz on May 21, 2008, 02:00 PM
i was focusing more on the fact that this game isn't just a grind session, like wow is. i played for probably a solid 2-3 hours, and got that far.

False accusation! From 0-70 I have never had to grind in WoW. AoC needs to develop a bit more, including fixing bugs and broken zones that don't work before I'll play it.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 21, 2008, 09:45 PM
warz, get on AIM, I want to ask you some questions about it.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 21, 2008, 11:42 PM
Quote from: Invert on May 21, 2008, 07:25 PM
Quote from: betawarz on May 21, 2008, 02:00 PM
i was focusing more on the fact that this game isn't just a grind session, like wow is. i played for probably a solid 2-3 hours, and got that far.

False accusation! From 0-70 I have never had to grind in WoW. AoC needs to develop a bit more, including fixing bugs and broken zones that don't work before I'll play it.

What? You do know that "Kill X amount of Y" is essentially a grind right? There's no way you went 1-70 with no grinding.

Anyhow, I think you're right and I will wait before picking up Age of Conan.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 21, 2008, 11:53 PM
yea. although it's an mmo, i'm still not feeling the open-ness that you feel with wow. it feels like it kind of funnels you through some storyline. ive heard it's only like this until 20, though. even invert mentioned it. so who knows. it's a kickass game, visually, and the combat system is tight, but it doesnt instantly strike me as something thats going to be over all better than wow.

it's like.. the game has all the big cool things, but is missing all the small every day use features.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 22, 2008, 12:04 AM
Sounds like a good idea if it's only the first 20, sort of like an introductory tutorial.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Warrior on May 22, 2008, 12:16 AM
A lot of MMOs are like that. LOTRO did it for like the first ten levels or something.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Barabajagal on May 22, 2008, 01:14 PM
Oh, alright. I'm not really a gamer, so I wouldn't know. :-\
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 22, 2008, 01:31 PM
i don't know, either. this is the first time i've seen something like it. it's not so bad, though. you're still around hundreds of other people below level 20.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 22, 2008, 03:14 PM
I'm thinking about buying it. I want to start getting into a MMO.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Invert on May 22, 2008, 05:04 PM
Quote from: Warrior on May 21, 2008, 11:42 PM
What? You do know that "Kill X amount of Y" is essentially a grind right? There's no way you went 1-70 with no grinding.

I don't consider it grinding when it's part of a quest. The difference here is that the killing X amount of Y's will end up rewarding you at the completion of that task beyond the reward you would receive for just killing Y's without limit.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: warz on May 22, 2008, 06:07 PM
Quote from: vuther.de on May 22, 2008, 03:14 PM
I'm thinking about buying it. I want to start getting into a MMO.

if you've got the very minimum, 2gb of ram, and a 512mb video card, and dont mind running it on lowest settings then yeah... it's worth it.

Quote from: Invert on May 22, 2008, 05:04 PM
I don't consider it grinding when it's part of a quest. The difference here is that the killing X amount of Y's will end up rewarding you at the completion of that task beyond the reward you would receive for just killing Y's without limit.
kind of like drinking games...
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on May 22, 2008, 07:34 PM
It's great.  I started...Tuesday?  And I'm level 32.  Mind you, I had some help/existing knowledge, so it may take a little bit longer the first time around. :)
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 25, 2008, 03:17 PM
Quote from: warz on May 22, 2008, 06:07 PM
Quote from: vuther.de on May 22, 2008, 03:14 PM
I'm thinking about buying it. I want to start getting into a MMO.

if you've got the very minimum, 2gb of ram, and a 512mb video card, and dont mind running it on lowest settings then yeah... it's worth it.

Quote from: Invert on May 22, 2008, 05:04 PM
I don't consider it grinding when it's part of a quest. The difference here is that the killing X amount of Y's will end up rewarding you at the completion of that task beyond the reward you would receive for just killing Y's without limit.
kind of like drinking games...
Eh.. I only have a 8600GTS and that's only 256MB. I'm running on 1680x1050 resolution. I'm guessing that won't be good enough eh?
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on May 28, 2008, 07:08 PM
So is the game very fun? Very buggy? Come on.. fill me in on the details.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: SNiFFeR on May 29, 2008, 06:43 PM
Quote from: vuther.de on May 28, 2008, 07:08 PM
So is the game very fun? Very buggy? Come on.. fill me in on the details.

just play wow on daggerspine.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Imperceptus on June 06, 2008, 02:32 PM
i play on Bloodspire as a PoM, I haven't logged in... in a bit.  took me 3 days of casual play to get to level 34.  pvp was phenominal but its a bit boring not have a clue who anyone is.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on June 07, 2008, 11:25 PM
I have a 38 Dark Templar on Darkwhisper. Very fun game, I like it alot.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: Tazo on June 09, 2008, 06:11 AM
Looks like I won't be renewing my WoW subscription this month  ;D I haven't  bought Conan yet but yall are making it sound boss.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: cefx- on June 15, 2008, 04:55 PM
I hit 80 on my guardian, lots of fun on it.  I'm leveling a Bear Shaman on Zug now, playing with some friends.  I got kicked out of my 80 guild for refusing to farm pve resources after getting powerleveled haha.  I hate PvE.
Extremely easy to level on PvE..no interruptions - FFA PvP can still occur in the Border Kingdoms, just nowhere else.  too many dbags on Deathwisper/Tyranny.
Title: Re: Age of Conan
Post by: vuther.de on June 16, 2008, 09:18 PM
I'm currently lvl 48. It's pretty fun so far, I wish they would fix alot of the bugs I've encountered, but I'm sure fixes will come.