its finally here!

[hismajesty]

And the civil war was about states rights not slavery.

Yes, states' rights to declare slavery illicit or licit. (Among other things.)

[quasi-modo]

I have a couple of shirts... from my favorite of Conservative sites.

That one there is rather stupid, since war hasn't ended any of those. The closest you get is with slavery, in the USA. Most everywhere else, war funded slavery - that's how you got the slaves! Communism in the soviet union ended because of the lack of war. As long as relations between ussr and usa were really frosty, communism held strong.

But we did fight wars to contain communism. One of them contained it but was crappy... the other one was just crappy and did not do much containing.

[quasi-modo]

And the civil war was about states rights not slavery.

Slavery was an issue though.  That whole dred scott case and many other things lead up to the war and they were all about slavery.

[Arta]

But we did fight wars to contain communism. One of them contained it but was crappy... the other one was just crappy and did not do much containing.

To which wars do you refer?

[Adron]

But we did fight wars to contain communism. One of them contained it but was crappy... the other one was just crappy and did not do much containing.

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

[Hazard]

But we did fight wars to contain communism. One of them contained it but was crappy... the other one was just crappy and did not do much containing.

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

Wrong. It prevented the domino effect.

[Adron]

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

Wrong.

Please elaborate on why those statements are wrong?

[quasi-modo]

But we did fight wars to contain communism. One of them contained it but was crappy... the other one was just crappy and did not do much containing.

To which wars do you refer?

Korea and Nam... neither official of course.

[quasi-modo]

But we did fight wars to contain communism. One of them contained it but was crappy... the other one was just crappy and did not do much containing.

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

One of them was affective, it stopped communism from spreading into south Korea.

We mighta won nam, but one source I have heard is saying that those whole Kerry Speeches played a big part in galvanizing the north Vietnamese generals at a point in time when the north was on the verge of giving up.

[Adron]

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

One of them was affective, it stopped communism from spreading into south Korea.

Maybe it was effective at that time. Maybe your military presence in South Korea is the only thing that has let North Korea remain so strongly communist to this day, and if you hadn't been there, they'd have been a capitalistic country like most others many years ago.

[quasi-modo]

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

One of them was affective, it stopped communism from spreading into south Korea.

Maybe it was effective at that time. Maybe your military presence in South Korea is the only thing that has let North Korea remain so strongly communist to this day, and if you hadn't been there, they'd have been a capitalistic country like most others many years ago.

Why's that?

[Adron]

Why's that?

For the same reason as going to war with Iraq can boost ratings and divert interest from national issues? Pointing at a common enemy is an efficient way of holding people together.

[Hazard]

Your wars didn't end communism - they strengthened communism, motivating the people to fight for communism.

One of them was affective, it stopped communism from spreading into south Korea.

Maybe it was effective at that time. Maybe your military presence in South Korea is the only thing that has let North Korea remain so strongly communist to this day, and if you hadn't been there, they'd have been a capitalistic country like most others many years ago.

You know nothing about North Korea and it is blatantly obvious from that ridiculous post. You're saying that North Korea is communist because the US is helping South Korea? Thats retarded. North Korea is communist because of their tyrannical dictators Kim Il Song and Kim Song Il and their ridiculous ideology and hate.

[Adron]

You know nothing about North Korea and it is blatantly obvious from that ridiculous post. You're saying that North Korea is communist because the US is helping South Korea? Thats retarded. North Korea is communist because of their tyrannical dictators Kim Il Song and Kim Song Il and their ridiculous ideology and hate.

What I'm saying is that if Kim didn't have the big evil enemy USA to point at, and to motivate the people to keep an army against, their internal state of affairs including starvation would be more likely to generate a civil uprising. I'll say it again: There's nothing like a big evil badguy to unite people.

[Hazard]

You know nothing about North Korea and it is blatantly obvious from that ridiculous post. You're saying that North Korea is communist because the US is helping South Korea? Thats retarded. North Korea is communist because of their tyrannical dictators Kim Il Song and Kim Song Il and their ridiculous ideology and hate.

What I'm saying is that if Kim didn't have the big evil enemy USA to point at, and to motivate the people to keep an army against, their internal state of affairs including starvation would be more likely to generate a civil uprising. I'll say it again: There's nothing like a big evil badguy to unite people.

Wrong again. You should really check out one of the special's on The History Channel about North Korea they aired during their "Reign of Terror" week. If such a thing was true, why did the Bolshevik uprising in Russia occur during the WWI? Why don't people rise up in North Korea? Because of the extreme government control and the knowledge that if an uprising is merely spoken of that your entire family will be slaughtered.