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Unsecured Wireless Networks

Started by MysT_DooM, October 07, 2007, 12:29 PM

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MysT_DooM

Well I just bought a Macbook.

It has built in wireless stuff.

Im using the thing called Airport on it, to access wireless networks in my range. 

I found one which didn't require any password, hence it was unsecured. 

and now I use it.   8)

dont worry though, I use a VPN and when using usernames/pws I make sure the site is using https or other encryption methods.

However....does anyone know the law behind accessing wireless networks which arn't urs?  I've searched quite a bit and there isnt really a concrete answer given.
Plus if the guy doesnt even know how to enable protection on his network I doubt he or she would know how to lookup whos on the network.
BUT, if they do know how to look up whos on the network, what can they actually do to that users, this goes back to the law part of it.

on a side note, these macbooks are freakin cool, id recommend em for college students; its real quiet so perfect for during lectures.


vb6, something about that combination of numbers and letters is sexy

rabbit

Network operators are responsible for all traffic on their network(s).  If it is unsecured, it is technically a public network, and you can do whatever you want.
Grif: Yeah, and the people in the red states are mad because the people in the blue states are mean to them and want them to pay money for roads and schools instead of cool things like NASCAR and shotguns.  Also, there's something about ketchup in there.

Kp

Applicable law varies widely.  There have been some cases where individuals were prosecuted for unauthorized access to an unsecured wireless network.  Most non-technical users tend to think of an unsecured wireless network as being akin to a house with an open door: easy to get into, but still trespassing.  Unless you want to count on getting an informed jury / prosecutor, my advice is not to use that network.
[19:20:23] (BotNet) <[vL]Kp> Any idiot can make a bot with CSB, and many do!

iago

Using an unsecured network is technically illegal, and can be considered trespassing on a computer network. It is fairly easy to trace somebody doing it, if the router's owner is so inclined, and the punishment can be harsh. I don't recommend it.
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
QuoteX5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*


MysT_DooM

Quote from: rabbit on October 07, 2007, 03:05 PM
Network operators are responsible for all traffic on their network(s).  If it is unsecured, it is technically a public network, and you can do whatever you want.

Quote from: iago on October 07, 2007, 05:52 PM
Using an unsecured network is technically illegal, and can be considered trespassing on a computer network. It is fairly easy to trace somebody doing it, if the router's owner is so inclined, and the punishment can be harsh. I don't recommend it.

One saying it is technically ok, and other saying technically not ok.

Im probably just going to leave it alone


vb6, something about that combination of numbers and letters is sexy

Joe[x86]

Taking into account that it's iago and Kp vs rabbit, I'm with you.
Quote from: brew on April 25, 2007, 07:33 PM
that made me feel like a total idiot. this entire thing was useless.

rabbit

And taking into account that we live in different countries where [internet] laws are usually different, I'd go with where you live.
Grif: Yeah, and the people in the red states are mad because the people in the blue states are mean to them and want them to pay money for roads and schools instead of cool things like NASCAR and shotguns.  Also, there's something about ketchup in there.

iago

In the US and Canada, it's illegal. Period. I don't know about other countries.
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
QuoteX5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*


Kp

Quote from: rabbit on October 20, 2007, 08:25 AM
And taking into account that we live in different countries where [internet] laws are usually different, I'd go with where you live.

That claim might hold if you were the one advocating caution and we were advocating that he use it.  However, you are advising him to take actions which may be illegal based on the belief that he might live in a jurisdiction where those actions are not illegal.
[19:20:23] (BotNet) <[vL]Kp> Any idiot can make a bot with CSB, and many do!

Ishbar

It's only illegal where people press charges.
Obviously if someone doesn't have the right mind to put a password on their router (which is prompted upon installation) they more likely than not won't take notice of your free ride.

A friend of a friend has been doing it for 2 and a half years, lucky him the user upgraded to a higher tier of cable!
7 Mb/s here they come! :-P

iago

Quote from: Ishbar on October 21, 2007, 11:49 PM
It's only illegal where people press charges.
So is burglary and assault.

Quote from: Ishbar on October 21, 2007, 11:49 PM
Obviously if someone doesn't have the right mind to put a password on their router (which is prompted upon installation) they more likely than not won't take notice of your free ride.

A friend of a friend has been doing it for 2 and a half years, lucky him the user upgraded to a higher tier of cable!
7 Mb/s here they come! :-P
I don't have a password on my router, but I routinely check who's using it and what they're doing. So it may not always be quite so simple.
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
QuoteX5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H*


rabbit

Quote from: Kp on October 21, 2007, 12:56 PM
Quote from: rabbit on October 20, 2007, 08:25 AM
And taking into account that we live in different countries where [internet] laws are usually different, I'd go with where you live.

That claim might hold if you were the one advocating caution and we were advocating that he use it.  However, you are advising him to take actions which may be illegal based on the belief that he might live in a jurisdiction where those actions are not illegal.
I never said "do it", I just stated one possible option (of course, he could always not do it).
Grif: Yeah, and the people in the red states are mad because the people in the blue states are mean to them and want them to pay money for roads and schools instead of cool things like NASCAR and shotguns.  Also, there's something about ketchup in there.

MrRaza