[HTML] Frames question

GSX · October 06, 2006, 12:46 AM

I have a page set up in frames... Only issues being, is that one frame is larger than the page itself, and I want the page to stretch to fit the frame... I've googled about, and asked friends, and no anwers.

Any help would be appreciated.

rabbit · October 06, 2006, 05:54 AM

Don't use frames. Use tables or divs (divs suck, use tables).

GSX · October 06, 2006, 12:21 PM

I would, but my site is entirely HTML (because I'm a retarded dumbass and I only know HTML and some VB6), and I have to update news frequently, and there's a shitload of pages (It's a flash animation/game site). So frames make it easy for me to keep the site organized and shit. I had it in tables before, but every time I added a link to the navigation bar, I'd have to go through like 30 pages and add it which was a pain in the ass. Sooo, switched it to frames, which caused this issue, and that's about it.

Any other suggestions on how I can fix this? I tried putting the frames INTO a table so I could set the table height and shit, buuutttt that didn't work, the table just went over the frames.

rabbit · October 06, 2006, 04:11 PM

Are you on Geocities or some retarded shit like that?

GSX · October 07, 2006, 11:50 AM

Nope, my friend is hosting me. Not some gay free host bs.

PS - Here's the source of my index.html page with the frames... It's not the cleanest, but I'm pretty sure you can get the idea...

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<! #index.html >
<TITLE>151</TITLE>
<HTML> 

<frameset cols="13%,*">
	<frame name="frmLeftNull" src="null.html" noresize scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" bordercolor="#050000">
	<frameset cols="84%,*">
		<frameset rows="19%,*">
			<frame name="frmBanner" src="banner.html" noresize scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" bordercolor="#050000">
			<frameset cols="19%,*">
				<frame name="frmNav" src="nav.html" noresize scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" bordercolor="#050000"> 	
				<frame name="frmMain" src="news.html" noresize scrolling="no" frameborder="no" bordercolor="#050000">
			</frameset>
		</frameset>
		<frame name="frmRightNull" src="null2.html" noresize scrolling="auto" frameborder="no" bordercolor="#050000">
	</frameset>
</frameset>	

</HTML>

I don't want scrolling in my news section, nor in any other, I just left them in auto because the page isn't done yet... I just want it to expand the browser window so that the ENTIRE page is visible. (As of now, it only shows about half of frmMain's content, which is a problem.)

rabbit · October 07, 2006, 04:37 PM

Tables and PHP (all you'll need is include()). Way easier.

GSX · October 08, 2006, 02:11 AM

All right, I'll give that a go. Thanks.

Akamas · October 08, 2006, 08:07 PM

Quote from: rabbit on October 06, 2006, 05:54 AM
Don't use frames. Use tables or divs (divs suck, use tables).

*laugh* tables are trash, divs > tables.

Scope · November 01, 2006, 10:32 AM

I find div's more effecient because you can implement CSS into them. Thats how most of the CMS websites use their systems, unless it has a pre-defined Module code that does all the work for you.

rabbit · November 01, 2006, 03:49 PM

CSS goes into anything. And of 3 large CMS I've written, I've always used table over div, and then span for specific bits.

Mitosis · November 04, 2006, 09:31 PM

Divs are meant for page layout, not tables. Instead of saying divs suck, Rabbit, you should probably look into how to write a website that follows semantics. Sure tables work, but they are not intended to create layouts, but display tabular data. http://www.cameronmoll.com/ has some great articles that may interest you.

rabbit · November 05, 2006, 06:37 AM

I can create an XHTML page which is W3 compliance using tables and spans, and no divs. So what's the problem?

FrOzeN · November 05, 2006, 07:43 AM

Quote from: rabbit on November 05, 2006, 06:37 AM
I can create an XHTML page which is W3 compliance using tables and spans, and no divs. So what's the problem?

http://webdesign.about.com/od/layout/a/aa111102a.htm
http://www.phpfreaks.com/forums/index.php/topic,86595.0.html

Overall, divs are much more flexible, and require less coding.

Mitosis · November 05, 2006, 10:43 AM

Your page may be valid, but it doesn't necessarily mean it fllows semantics.

Akamas · November 05, 2006, 01:04 PM

Quote from: rabbit on November 01, 2006, 03:49 PM
CSS goes into anything. And of 3 large CMS I've written, I've always used table over div, and then span for specific bits.

No, CSS goes better into divs and gives you much more flexibility.

Quote from: rabbit on November 05, 2006, 06:37 AM
I can create an XHTML page which is W3 compliance using tables and spans, and no divs. So what's the problem?

Neat. I can create that exact XHTML valid page in ~70% less characters.

You do realize that your page would be composed of ~80% useless table code, ~10% other random code and ~10% content, which is terrible for SEO (Search engine optimization). Your website traffic will decrease by at least 50% by discouraging the crawlers with your messy useless code.

I think you should get out of the 90's web development world and update your coding methods.