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Quote from: iago on February 27, 2004, 08:28 AM
"shut up and stop being assholes.  flaming isn't welcome here."

My point exactly.

I was directly talking to you and j0k3r.  I didn't see anybody else carrying on a pointless argument.

Quote from: iago on February 27, 2004, 11:30 AM
I was directly talking to you and j0k3r.  I didn't see anybody else carrying on a pointless argument.

My attempt was to ask him in a mature manner to leave people alone, thats all. I'll leave it at that.

Hazard had no position stepping in the first place, he had nothing to do with the arguments, and he did not contribute to the thread.

Tron was saying things without proof, which were wrong and I felt that since I had knowledge about the subject I'd share it.

I shouldn't have put that last part into my post, and I apologize for it.

Quote from: j0k3r on February 26, 2004, 03:55 PM
As you can see, the delivery of the item and time spent finding the item can be charged as a service, and there is nothing blizzard can do about it...

I'm going to say that Blizzard can do a lot of things about it, if they really had any reason to.  For instance, they could say you're profiting from their Battle.net service.

They can't claim your time to be their own, if they are paying for the time you spent finding the item, or time you spent transferring the item, there isn't really anything they can do.

It's like a truck delivery service, where they own a desert and your deliver sand, unless they want to put extra protection to keep you from taking their sand and profiting from it, they have little choice but to sit back and do nothing.

Don't know how good of an analogy that was.

[afterthought]If they decided to sell items, there would be less players because people would stop playing, there are still some player who play because it's a challenge and you can't just buy your way through the game. Those who bought items will also stop playing faster because they would feel they have beaten the game.[/afterthought]

Yeah i saw some too.

though i joined a game and there were bots only.

chat messages filled the screen.

They also have like questions bots or something along that line.

I saw some b4 blizzard released the update.

Their actually pretty cool.

won like 15 set items from them.

Quote from: j0k3r on March 11, 2004, 08:23 AM
They can't claim your time to be their own, if they are paying for the time you spent finding the item, or time you spent transferring the item, there isn't really anything they can do.

It's like a truck delivery service, where they own a desert and your deliver sand, unless they want to put extra protection to keep you from taking their sand and profiting from it, they have little choice but to sit back and do nothing.

Don't know how good of an analogy that was.

[afterthought]If they decided to sell items, there would be less players because people would stop playing, there are still some player who play because it's a challenge and you can't just buy your way through the game. Those who bought items will also stop playing faster because they would feel they have beaten the game.[/afterthought]

Time is irrelvant, you're profiting from the use of their service.  The item is generated by it, exists on it, is transferred on it, and the time you spent finding it was on it.

Just as a side note, you are aware you can press "n" to clear the chat text from the screen?  This really makes them a minor annoyance if any.

Quote from: Soul Taker on March 11, 2004, 10:58 AM
Time is irrelvant, you're profiting from the use of their service.  The item is generated by it, exists on it, is transferred on it, and the time you spent finding it was on it.

Just as you pay for the game, they are profiting from the time they spent coding the game. You would be profiting from the time you spent finding the items, and you HAVE paid them already, so you're not really stealing anything from them.

What about MMORPGs? There was a case (thread posted in this forum I believe) that a guy was compensated for items lost, because they were his and he paid for all the time he spent playing the game.

How far does the initial payment for the game go? I'm sure the cost is factored into the price somehow, who is to say you aren't paying for you owning the items/characters?

Ah, yesterday a spambot whispered me while I was in a private channel. Now it's getting out of hand.

Quote from: j0k3r on March 11, 2004, 05:27 PM

Quote from: Soul Taker on March 11, 2004, 10:58 AM
Time is irrelvant, you're profiting from the use of their service.  The item is generated by it, exists on it, is transferred on it, and the time you spent finding it was on it.

Just as you pay for the game, they are profiting from the time they spent coding the game. You would be profiting from the time you spent finding the items, and you HAVE paid them already, so you're not really stealing anything from them.

What about MMORPGs? There was a case (thread posted in this forum I believe) that a guy was compensated for items lost, because they were his and he paid for all the time he spent playing the game.

How far does the initial payment for the game go? I'm sure the cost is factored into the price somehow, who is to say you aren't paying for you owning the items/characters?

You pay for the game, not Battle.net-related things.

Quote from: Soul Taker on March 12, 2004, 01:03 PM

Quote from: j0k3r on March 11, 2004, 05:27 PM

Quote from: Soul Taker on March 11, 2004, 10:58 AM
Time is irrelvant, you're profiting from the use of their service.  The item is generated by it, exists on it, is transferred on it, and the time you spent finding it was on it.

Just as you pay for the game, they are profiting from the time they spent coding the game. You would be profiting from the time you spent finding the items, and you HAVE paid them already, so you're not really stealing anything from them.

What about MMORPGs? There was a case (thread posted in this forum I believe) that a guy was compensated for items lost, because they were his and he paid for all the time he spent playing the game.

How far does the initial payment for the game go? I'm sure the cost is factored into the price somehow, who is to say you aren't paying for you owning the items/characters?

You pay for the game, not Battle.net-related things.

Then why can't you anonymously log onto battle.net without a cd key?

telnet useast.battle.net 6112
^Canonymous\r\n

Damn you Skywing...  

A portion of the sales price does go towards servers, there is no way they could afford to host servers for a game for free...

Anyways, it doesn't matter. They don't care about you profiting off them, they know about it, they just know it would be too much hassle to control.