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Tuberload · June 02, 2004, 08:56 PM

Quote from: Myndfyre on June 02, 2004, 06:21 PM
Quote from: Tuberload on June 02, 2004, 05:58 AM
I am a hobbyist programmer so I like to use things that are free. So in conclusion I use Apache 1.3 series, the latest versions of MySQL and PHP, and of course Java.

Bah. The Microsoft .NET Framework SDK is free. You can get an ASP.NET server for free (called Cassini Web Server) that you can run on Win98/Me/2000/XP. If you have Windows 2000 or XP Pro you have IIS anyway. You can get the ASP.NET Web Matrix to do visual ASP.NET design. If you want data, ASP.NET supports XML natively.

I'm a hobbyist programmer too. It doesn't mean that Microsoft products are completely excluded from your arena. Visual Studio .NET Academic is very inexpensive.

Ok I am a hobbyist programmer who likes to be different.

I like using what I am because it helps to give me a broad knowledge of different software. I have win2k server on an ancient server box that I ran a crossed. It has ISS on it right now, I am working on installing Microsoft's SQL Server, and I will look into the free version of ASP.Net Web Matrix or whatever.

Even the academic version is beyond my current pocket book, so I will just stick with the free stuff for now.

BTW Mitosis, I wasn't trying to point you in any direction, was just showing you what I use. I would recommend ASP.NET if you are serious about web development. Unless things drastically change I think Microsoft is the way to go.

Tuberload · June 02, 2004, 09:18 PM

Quote from: Grok on June 02, 2004, 02:34 PMWith an apache server, how do you point an http 1.1 hostheader, like "botdev.valhallalegends.com" to a specific website on a server that has dozens of sites and only one IP?

Adron already answered this, but I would just like to say I honestly didn't know. I just recently decided to try and broaden my spectrum of knowledge and setup my own web development server. Just a student trying to learn.

Banana fanna fo fanna · June 04, 2004, 08:12 PM

ASP.NET: How do I do a generic look-and-feel for my site? How do I include smaller "pagelets"?

Walkthrus/keywords appreciated

quasi-modo · June 05, 2004, 05:06 PM

Don't use cassini if you plan on letting people see your site from a remote machine... it will not accept remote requests. That is just a side note.

here is how to 'include your pagelets' lol

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<!--#include file="yourfile.inc"-->

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<!--#include virtual="yourfile.inc"-->

or if you want to do a dynamic include

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<%
Response.WriteFile ("Yourfile.inc")
%>

Banana fanna fo fanna · June 05, 2004, 05:41 PM

ewww...primitive...but alright.

quasi-modo · June 05, 2004, 09:59 PM

haha, they adopted the way ssi did it, I think that is pretty slick myself.

Banana fanna fo fanna · June 06, 2004, 07:22 AM

CF's custom tags are better!

pagelayout.cfm:

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<cfparam name="Attributes.title" default="Hello" />
<cfif ThisTag.ExecutionMode is "start">
<html>
<head>
<title><cfoutput>#Attributes.title#</cfoutput></title>
</head>
<body><h1><cfoutput>#Attributes.title#</cfoutput></h1>
<cfelse>
</body></html>
</cfif>

mypage.cfm:

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<cf_pagelayout title="Welcome to mypage.cfm">
The page content goes here.
</cf_pagelayout>

quasi-modo · June 06, 2004, 07:14 PM

ok :p. Who said I can't do a cf include while using asp.net though? They integrate together very nicely. Asp.net does have the asp.net event drivent controls which are similar to the cf custumb tags I believe, are they not?
<asp:button runat="server" onclick="codetofire" id="myrocknbutton"/>

Zorm · June 07, 2004, 12:26 AM

Quote from: impersonating members is bad! on June 06, 2004, 07:22 AM
CF's custom tags are better!

pagelayout.cfm:
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<cfparam name="Attributes.title" default="Hello" /> <cfif ThisTag.ExecutionMode is "start"> <html> <head> <title><cfoutput>#Attributes.title#</cfoutput></title> </head> <body><h1><cfoutput>#Attributes.title#</cfoutput></h1> <cfelse> </body></html> </cfif>

mypage.cfm:
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<cf_pagelayout title="Welcome to mypage.cfm"> The page content goes here. </cf_pagelayout>

How can you diss php and then use that?! Its unreadable and confusing very much so like all the code Adron writes.

Maddox · June 07, 2004, 12:44 AM

Quote from: impersonating members is bad! on June 01, 2004, 09:01 PM
Right now, I have no idea what I'm going to use for web languages...but here's what I'm considering:

- ColdFusion...this is what I use right now, and it's pretty good!
- J2EE w/ Jython servlets...less typing than above, but J2EE is wayyyy too complicated
- Zope...cool idea, Zope3 will rock but it's not out yet
- Home-grown...who knows

DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT USE PHP!!!! I cannot stress that enough.

How many of these are multi-platform?

Banana fanna fo fanna · June 07, 2004, 02:57 PM

CF: windows and linux and solaris
J2EE: everywhere
Zope: everywhere

That was a demonstration of the power of custom tags...

quasi-modo · June 07, 2004, 08:24 PM

even asp.net, which I like more then anything out there runs on windows and linux these days,

Don't get me started on jsp or java in general. Asp.net mops the floor with jsp. JSP and ASP.net are not simple parsed html, no they are both compiled. But asp.net runs loads faster then jsp. Also asp.net kills jsp with language flexability. Asp.net can be done with vb.net c# j# c++.net and tons more, delphi can even be used. Asp.net also has those event oriented controls I talked about.

Banana fanna fo fanna · June 07, 2004, 10:01 PM

Personally, I think J2EE sucks and can die a painful death.

My new framework, based on mach-ii, is awesome

quasi-modo · June 08, 2004, 01:24 AM

I will probably be hated for this, but I do not think java has any reason to be on the internet. JSP and Applets both completely suck. Applets just piss me off. They have uses, such as a chat room, but other then that, what use do they have. Besides a chat room, and maybe those port scan things or those speed tests that get your upload, what use do they have? What can they do that flash can't? Appplets are over used for gay games and they take too long to load. I am on 3mbit dl cable, I do not want to wait for websites to load.

Adron · June 08, 2004, 05:54 AM

Quote from: peofeoknight on June 08, 2004, 01:24 AM
Besides a chat room, and maybe those port scan things or those speed tests that get your upload, what use do they have? What can they do that flash can't?

Well, one thing java can do that flash can't is run in my cellphone. It may be just an option of the manufacturer, but fact remains; java exists in cellphones that don't run flash.

I also have a feeling that flash's programming language is much less powerful than java. But I don't know, I've never written flash, only reverse-engineered old flash code (fixed a disassembler!)...