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Im pretty new at programming sites.  I know a lot bout HTML though and I have made sites in HTML in the past but now I wana learn sumthin better, so i was wondering which programming language would be easiest to learn, php, asp or jsp.

PHP:

http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/programming/php/index.html
www.phpbuilder.com
www.php.net

PHP is a joke.  You're wasting your time learning it.

Proof?  Go to www.monster.com and search for PHP.  183 hits.

Type ASP and search.  3614 hits.
Type Java and search.  3493 hits.

Sure, go learn PHP, but for many reasons I won't even bother restating, it's a piece of crap language once you get beyond the hobbyist stage.  The job market speaks loud and clear.

ggoog XHTML 1.1 and xml

Quote from: MrRaza on May 07, 2003, 07:55 AM
ggoog XHTML 1.1 and xml

Good luck writing a loop.

<?xml version=1.0?>
<%For I = 1 To 10: Response.Write("Hi<br />"): Next%>
Oh, wait...

Quote from: Yoni on May 07, 2003, 10:21 AM

Code Select Expand

<?xml version=1.0?>
<%For I = 1 To 10: Response.Write("Hi<br />"): Next%>
Oh, wait...

hello vbscript.

Quote from: Grok on May 07, 2003, 06:42 AM
PHP is a joke.  You're wasting your time learning it.

Proof?  Go to www.monster.com and search for PHP.  183 hits.

Type ASP and search.  3614 hits.
Type Java and search.  3493 hits.

Sure, go learn PHP, but for many reasons I won't even bother restating, it's a piece of crap language once you get beyond the hobbyist stage.  The job market speaks loud and clear.

Grok Grok Grok, I'm disappointed with you.

PHP works on POSIX and Windows, ASP works only on Windows. That enough should make your decision between the two. I cite Windows/IIS security track record as my example of why not to host on Windows.

JSP is so bad, just don't use it. You need to install massive application servers, and the commercial ones are really expensive and the free ones have shitty documentation. JSP code is also inefficient to code because it has strict type checking (unless you use a taglib which is hard to grasp).

As to PHP vs ASP, my experience (I started out with ASP and moved to PHP) has been it is much easier to use PHP/MySQL than ASP/ADO. I don't know about performance but they are pretty competitive, especially with the new engine in PHP4.

Overall:
- PHP works in more places
- ASP is familiar if you're used to VB and don't care about your OS
- JSP sucks and no one should ever use it

Drop me a line in channel clan incdamage and I'll send you my kick ass web scripting language I wrote myself. It owns

Quote from: St0rm.iD on May 07, 2003, 02:49 PM
- ASP is familiar if you're used to VB and don't care about your OS

ASP is also familiar if you're used to JavaScript [JScript] (Or even C/C++ since JavaScript syntax is so similar)

Quote from: St0rm.iD on May 07, 2003, 02:49 PM
Grok Grok Grok, I'm disappointed with you.

PHP works on POSIX and Windows, ASP works only on Windows. That enough should make your decision between the two. I cite Windows/IIS security track record as my example of why not to host on Windows.

While I am inclined to agree with you regarding security, I want to point out that Grok was providing professional hints.  It is not always the case that your employer will choose the "best" system (where best is decided at least in part by viewer bias and in part by situational requirements), but they will expect their employees (i.e. you) to use the system the picked.  So - know a language that's great and cool, but also be able to write in something that has somehow managed to become the apple of IT's eye.

Learn Perl - ASP Perl!

I don't think he's looking to be employed, but that's a best guess here.

Whats a good host for asp cause ive decided to learn that.

hmmm, i guess grok brainwashed you..

Quote from: MrRaza on May 08, 2003, 07:24 AM
hmmm, i guess grok brainwashed you..

Now to undo what I've done.

Quote from: Homerun31 on May 07, 2003, 08:45 PM
Whats a good host for asp cause ive decided to learn that.

Go ahead and start learning ASP, but just enough to decide what you think.  ASP.NET is the future.  If you like ASP, you'll love ASP.NET and your job opportunities will be plentiful.

If, on the other hand, you're a propeller-head who uses things to say "see what I use", then by all means use Linux, Apache, PHP, MySQL.  Of those four, Apache and MySQL are "production ready", Linux is adequate for some serving, and PHP is too obscure to even be considered.

It's all fun when you're in college or otherwise in academia to consider only what you think is 'best' according to the reasons you have assigned (possibly purely theoretical reasons).  But when you enter the capital, corporate workplace your career must take into consideration the forces and effects of people, i.e. manpower knowledge utilization at the user and technical levels.

Microsoft created a desktop platform that people could actually use, and stuffed their software with feature after feature, knowing that features sell software.  Corporations invested hundreds of billions into it and they're not gonna suddenly switch because of some newcomer on the block.

You can be RIGHT all you want -- and you'll still be wrong.  Worse, you'll be largely unemployable.