PHP, ASP or JSP

[Grok]

Eibro:
3) Everyone else who needs a RAD for Win32 but doesn't like Visual Basic.

Was it really necessary to quote the entire post?

[Thing]

Just a little note for you programmers that actually want to make money doing what you love:

I just subbed a job to an ASP/SQL programmer tonight.  So far this year he has made around 10K through me.  He works from home except when we have to meet for consultations.

My java guy couldn't make a living and is now stuck working for Verizon, which he loathes.

[Dumb_Canadian]

hehe, I love you, Hostile! Just a few things that grabbed my attention and I thought I might comment on...

Now if PHP was so much greater then JSP Why does Microsoft try making their own version of it?

I assure you it wasn't completely to try and beat Sun at its own game. I know this is more so based off JSP/Servlets rather then just Java but either way.

- Well, I don't consider Microsoft's .NET initiative "their version" of JAVA. It quite simply isn't. Microsoft's .NET initiative is a purely logical evolution of Sun Microsystem's JAVA initiative. Why didn't Microsoft compete in that area in the past? Well, I think that's clearly Microsoft and Sun Microsystem's relatively good relationship in the past. Although now, it seems, Sun Microsystems is doing everything they can that they feel could have a negative impact on Microsoft. So why *wouldn't* Microsoft take out their main source of income, amung other things? (I divert your attention to some of the key initiatives Microsoft has proposed to Dell, Intel and nVidia to cooperatively build enterprise-class x86 servers intended to specificly compete with Sun Microsystem's SPARC servers. Why? Clearly Microsoft has taken the hint that Sun Microsystems is no longer a partner. They are an enemy:)


Alot of your tech hungry kids say everything related to Java is slower, It cant be faster it will always fall behind despite the fact you seem to have to wait those dire 20 milliseconds longer for it be loaded.

- Hehe, I think you hit the nail right on the head. It's funny, really. I once seen a kid argue that Oracle 9i outperforms SQL Server 2000, yet in the very same breath, claimed JAVA is slow (If you're unfamiliar, Oracle 9i was largely developed using JAVA, hehe!) It's clear that JAVA can be just as fast as its competitors, save for the .NET Initiative. JAVA's simply at an unfair disadvantage when compared, performance-wise to .NET products, IMHO. (One's compiled, one's interpreted pls, k thx.)

Because they can! The best PHP code out there you can download in 20 minutes

- And a professional ASP.NET developer could deploy a proprietary ASP.NET solution that's more than likely superior in ~15 minutes, 8giggles8

and Java+XML

- Yikes. XML with JAVA?:\

My opinion's pretty simple, I think. I suggest first learning PHP, and then giving ASP.NET a chance. But the key part of this advice is giving ASP.NET a true chance later...

Why that, in that order? Well I first started with ASP 3.0 and VBScript 5, and I believe I really took a lot of it for granted...

Arta (!) then pushed me into PHP and the whole Apache spheel, and only then did I start to think back about all the comforts of ASP 3.0 you simply lack with PHP. Then I gave ASP.NET a chance and nothing compares, IMHO. I do kind of think it's hard for a beginner to recognize the benefits of ASP.NET unless they've used its competitors, though, so there's my logic, heh. (Or lack thereof?:\)

[Tuberload]

I do kind of think it's hard for a beginner to recognize the benefits of ASP.NET unless they've used its competitors, though, so there's my logic, heh.

My opinion on that is maybe those beginners you are talking about should take some advice from people who actually know what's going on in today's industry...