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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM

Title: Canada
Post by: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM
The Canadian Government is planning on making Marijuana less illegal (decriminalized).
The Canadian Government is planning on making Trans Fat illegal.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: j0k3r on November 24, 2004, 09:46 PM
What? I need an article, this is news.

Edit: Woot.
Edit2: Great thread name... Woot.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:49 PM
About which part?

I dunno if they did it or going to do it, but I keep hearing about it
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Falcon[anti-yL] on November 24, 2004, 10:34 PM
Quote from: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM
The Canadian Government is planning on making Marijuana less illegal (decriminalized).
If they do, then I'm moving to Canada.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Hitmen on November 24, 2004, 11:52 PM
Quote from: Falcon[anti-yL] on November 24, 2004, 10:34 PM
Quote from: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM
The Canadian Government is planning on making Marijuana less illegal (decriminalized).
If they do, then I'm moving to Canada.
Or you could move to one of the states that decriminilized possession... google says: California, Colorado, Nebraska, New York, North Carolina, Maine, Minnesota, Ohio, and Oregon.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: hismajesty on November 25, 2004, 12:06 AM
It's legal to posess it but not smoke it without a prescription? That really makes no sense. I don't do drugs, but ever since I did a research paper on Marijuana last year I've been for the legalization of it.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Archonist on November 25, 2004, 12:21 AM
Quote from: hismajesty[yL] on November 25, 2004, 12:06 AM
It's legal to posess it but not smoke it without a prescription? That really makes no sense. I don't do drugs, but ever since I did a research paper on Marijuana last year I've been for the legalization of it.

*cough*, but it's definatley not legal to have possession of it in new york.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Meh on November 25, 2004, 01:14 AM
Quote from: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM
The Canadian Government is planning on making Marijuana less illegal (decriminalized).
The Canadian Government is planning on making Trans Fat illegal.

Discuss.
They have done that in Britain. If police see you with it they just confiscate it instead of nick you.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Falcon[anti-yL] on November 25, 2004, 01:21 AM
Quote from: Hitmen on November 24, 2004, 11:52 PM
Quote from: Falcon[anti-yL] on November 24, 2004, 10:34 PM
Quote from: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM
The Canadian Government is planning on making Marijuana less illegal (decriminalized).
If they do, then I'm moving to Canada.
Or you could move to one of the states that decriminilized possession... google says: California, Colorado, Nebraska, New York, North Carolina, Maine, Minnesota, Ohio, and Oregon.
Weed is cheaper in Canada anyways.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Mitosis on November 25, 2004, 09:37 AM
Druggys. Ya this has been discussed for quite some time now. I don't think they should ban snack machines from schools. that's kind of stupid. Half our cafeteria would be gone.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Blaze on November 25, 2004, 03:07 PM
They already banned junk food in elementary schools in toronto. Me living right beside toronto thinks that that is unfair! Those kids have the right to be sugar high.  They havn't touched the middle/high schools yet.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: j0k3r on November 25, 2004, 03:41 PM
I don't think they are going to touch high schools in Ontario/Toronto/GTA. There is a very low percentage (maybe 1%) of obese kids at my school, it isn't something that needs to be banned. Peer pressure, learning about nutrition, and low self esteem take care of high school students' weight.

Banning it in elementary schools I thought was a good idea, you have kids who have no concept of nutrition constantly eating junk food and creating unhealthy habbits and ruining their bodies. There was also those that buy junk food just because everyone else does, my sister being one.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: iago on November 25, 2004, 05:17 PM
They aren't banning Junkfood across Canada, just Trans Fat.  Lays chips and New York Fries, for instance, contain no trans fats.  Trans fats are associated quite closely with heart disease and other bad things, and, if it's possible to make a product that is just as good without containing them (albeit a little expensive), I'm totally for it.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Hazard on November 25, 2004, 07:06 PM
Quote from: iago on November 24, 2004, 09:43 PM
The Canadian Government is planning on making Marijuana less illegal (decriminalized).

Thats what Ralph Nader wants to do. It's stupid.

The following is what might occur:

Officer: Please, don't light that joint, not here.
Hippie: *Lights weed and takes a huge draw*
Officer: Sir, please, come on I'm asking you nicely.
Hippie: *Takes another draw* Hehehe you want some of dis man?
Officer: Oh, come on now thats just not...
Hippie: *Draw*
Officer: Aww shit look you're doin' it again.
etc, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Arta on November 25, 2004, 07:55 PM
In the UK, at any rate, that's totally untrue.

Cannabis is decriminalised, but all that means is that you can't be arrested for possesion alone. The police can (and routinely do) confiscate the cannabis, and you can still be arrested if you're causing a disturbance, and a few other things. Baiting an officer like that would obviously qualify.

No sane government would allow the scenario you proposed to take place.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: iago on November 25, 2004, 08:47 PM
Quote from: Arta[vL] on November 25, 2004, 07:55 PM
In the UK, at any rate, that's totally untrue.

Cannabis is decriminalised, but all that means is that you can't be arrested for possesion alone. The police can (and routinely do) confiscate the cannabis, and you can still be arrested if you're causing a disturbance, and a few other things. Baiting an officer like that would obviously qualify.

No sane government would allow the scenario you proposed to take place.

They have equated marijuana to a "Parking ticket".  If you park a car illegally in front of a police officer, he isn't going to throw you in jail; however, you will get a fine that you are expected to pay, as punishment.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Hazard on November 25, 2004, 08:55 PM
So they can just take it from you? So wait, you can't have it but you can't be punished for having it?
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Arta on November 25, 2004, 09:03 PM
You can be arrested and charged. The police just aren't *required* to arrest you.

Simply put: People who have a small amount of cannabis that is obviously for personal use aren't arrested unless they're causing a problem. This is good. It prevents officers from having to do silly paperwork and waste time arresting someone who's obviously only going to get a slap on the wrist anyway. People who are causing trouble, who are dealing, who are carrying a large amount, can be and are arrested and dealt with accordingly.

I really don't see what the big deal is. You seem up in arms about it, as usual.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: j0k3r on November 25, 2004, 09:49 PM
On another note, People who want it will get it, and will smoke it with or without the laws that are currently in place. I forgot where I saw it, but somebody said that legalizing it and making it commercial available would be good. It would be very similar to cigarrettes, the government would tax it (and profit greatly), it would be safer to smoke (health guidelines put in place), and there would be less crime associated with it (large companies would quickly replace dealers/growers).
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: Meh on November 26, 2004, 02:10 AM
The problem is that they cant actually tax it as it is easy to grow. The goverment cant make mnoney on it so they wont make it illegal. Besides if it is made legal then people who smoke it as its banned will move on to harder drugs which the government wont want.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: hismajesty on November 26, 2004, 07:10 AM
Quote from: Meh on November 26, 2004, 02:10 AM
The problem is that they cant actually tax it as it is easy to grow. The goverment cant make mnoney on it so they wont make it illegal. Besides if it is made legal then people who smoke it as its banned will move on to harder drugs which the government wont want.

Why can't they tax it now? Isn't there a tax when you buy carrots, yet those are easy to grow...
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: j0k3r on November 26, 2004, 07:14 AM
Quote from: Meh on November 26, 2004, 02:10 AM
The problem is that they cant actually tax it as it is easy to grow. The goverment cant make mnoney on it so they wont make it illegal. Besides if it is made legal then people who smoke it as its banned will move on to harder drugs which the government wont want.
So you disagree that it can (and very easily would) be done the same way as cigarrettes? If you have a major company growing thousands of pounds of it daily, the cost would be very low, allowing the government to add taxes on it and still keep it well below street price. I'd rather smoke government regulated and grown marijuana over home grown unless I was growing it myself.
Title: Re: Canada
Post by: iago on November 26, 2004, 12:43 PM
Quote from: j0k3r on November 25, 2004, 09:49 PM
On another note, People who want it will get it, and will smoke it with or without the laws that are currently in place.

This is why I think that possession should be punishable by torture and death.