http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/11/14/scotus.felon.vote/index.html
What's your take on this whole "felons voting" thing?
I think voting is a privilege and when you break laws you should lose this privilege.
Quote from: DeTaiLs on November 14, 2005, 09:50 PM
I think voting is a privilege and when you break laws you should lose this privilege.
Hmm, I always recall being taught that voting is a right.
I still believe it is a right, however, I do believe some people (other than idiots) shouldn't be allowed to vote.
I don't know how you'd make that acceptable though, maybe give felons a status of "sub-human", I'm ok with that.
I think felons should be allowed to vote. What their crimes were has no matter to them participating in government.
What if their crime had to do w/government? i.e. war crimes or something?
I see it as they aren't human. They are not able to function like normal people in society. They are errors.
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 14, 2005, 10:34 PM
I see it as they aren't human. They are not able to function like normal people in society. They are errors.
Really condescending, considering that most people serving time don't even commit major crimes. What if you ended up in jail for a DUI or something? Would you consider yourself a mistake? Would you think yourself sub-human?
It's hard to understand things like this being said when humans have climbed so far and achieved so much.
I see no reason why a felon should not be allowed a fundamental right such as voting.
I think felons should be allowed to vote. If a law is wrong and turns everyone but a few people into felons, then noone would be able to fix it? :P
Quote from: Topaz on November 14, 2005, 10:41 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 14, 2005, 10:34 PM
I see it as they aren't human. They are not able to function like normal people in society. They are errors.
Really condescending, considering that most people serving time don't even commit major crimes. What if you ended up in jail for a DUI or something? Would you consider yourself a mistake? Would you think yourself sub-human?
It's hard to understand things like this being said when humans have climbed so far and achieved so much.
A felony isn't a mistake, it is a wrong doing.
DUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill
QuoteA felony isn't a mistake, it is a wrong doing
A felony can be being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Quote from: Forged on November 14, 2005, 11:04 PM
QuoteA felony isn't a mistake, it is a wrong doing
A felony can be being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
...not to mention doing the wrong thing
If felons should be able to vote, so should children under 18. If voting is a right that everybody deserves, why disallow people under a certain (arbitrary) age? There are a lot of people of legal age (say, felons) who shouldn't be allowed to vote, and a lot of people under legal age who should.
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
Quote from: FrOzeN on November 15, 2005, 12:04 AM
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
"All men are created equal". So, by that logic, from birth all males should be able to vote.
Things are meant to be interpretted I believe. Bible, Constitution, w/e. Yes, those things have a nice foundation but cannot stand alone in today's society.
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
I think felons should be allowed to vote. I see no reason why committing a felony should strip someone of that right.
I think the argument for allowing children to vote is an interesting one. We should start a new thread for it.
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 15, 2005, 12:11 AM
Quote from: FrOzeN on November 15, 2005, 12:04 AM
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
"All men are created equal". So, by that logic, from birth all males should be able to vote.
Things are meant to be interpretted I believe. Bible, Constitution, w/e. Yes, those things have a nice foundation but cannot stand alone in today's society.
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
I really hope you don't actually believe what you are saying in this post. :p
IMO, felons that have been released deserve their rights like the next guy, they've paid, and therefore are just another person like you and me in regard to having rights.
I really think you need to expand your viewpoint a little bit Crazed and approach things with a bit more open-mindedness rather than just being flat out conservative in opinion.
QuoteDUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill
So you're saying that if
you got a DUI you'd like to get your license revoked? Nonesense, you'd be begging for another chance.
Just like these people should. Plus I am pretty sure the people who have done the worst of things aren't getting out. Quit being stupid.
Whether they have served their time or not, they should be able to vote. Someone having done something the current government does not like is not a good reason to take away their chance to change the government.
Quote from: WoOdTroll on November 15, 2005, 10:37 AM
QuoteDUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill
So you're saying that if you got a DUI you'd like to get your license revoked? Nonesense, you'd be begging for another chance.
If I had a DUI, I should damn well have my license revoked forever. It's surprisingly easy to not drink and drive: don't drink, OR don't drive. DUH.
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 15, 2005, 12:11 AM
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
What the fuck!?
Quote from: Shout on November 15, 2005, 08:58 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 15, 2005, 12:11 AM
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
What the fuck!?
Calm down. He's just giving an example.
Quote from: Explicit[nK] on November 15, 2005, 09:01 PM
Quote from: Shout on November 15, 2005, 08:58 PM
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 15, 2005, 12:11 AM
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
What the fuck!?
Calm down. He's just giving an example.
Oops, saw that and got agitated. Nevermind.
Quote from: iago on November 15, 2005, 01:39 PM
Quote from: WoOdTroll on November 15, 2005, 10:37 AM
QuoteDUI?...yes, those people should have their license revoked, drunk drivers kill
So you're saying that if you got a DUI you'd like to get your license revoked? Nonesense, you'd be begging for another chance.
If I had a DUI, I should damn well have my license revoked forever. It's surprisingly easy to not drink and drive: don't drink, OR don't drive. DUH.
Speaking of which, do you even drink? And if you do, probably once in a while right? Maybe on certain occasions?(Just questions)
If so then I know why it would be easy for you. Compared to alcoholics. But we all know how drunks think...Alot of lack of judgment. Don't really care whats right, and whats wrong correct? Most of the time drunk driving, occurs when some one doesn't want to stay at a party, and sleep in the bathroom, they'd rather be home. Or they're just dumb, and want go driving. I don't support either.
I think it depends on the felony really. Just with the punishments, the more heineous the crime the worse the punishment.
Quote from: Mephisto on November 15, 2005, 09:31 AM
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 15, 2005, 12:11 AM
Quote from: FrOzeN on November 15, 2005, 12:04 AM
When a felon is free from jail, they have paid there crime and therefore should be allowed access to there civil rights (or w/e there called).
"All men are created equal". So, by that logic, from birth all males should be able to vote.
Things are meant to be interpretted I believe. Bible, Constitution, w/e. Yes, those things have a nice foundation but cannot stand alone in today's society.
I don't think women are equal, the declaration of independence supports my view by saying "all men."
I really hope you don't actually believe what you are saying in this post. :p
IMO, felons that have been released deserve their rights like the next guy, they've paid, and therefore are just another person like you and me in regard to having rights.
I really think you need to expand your viewpoint a little bit Crazed and approach things with a bit more open-mindedness rather than just being flat out conservative in opinion.
Woman comment was just an example, just as Explicit said (thanks for pointing that out to some people how didn't see the sarcasm)
Felons are not like me, I haven't committed a felony, therefore I'm not like a felon. I AM better than a felon. Felonies are extreme violations against society.
Adron, felons don't commit crimes against the government, they commit crimes against society.
& yes, if I got a DUI I shouldn't drive. I'm obviously not capable of understanding to not drink & drive to begin with, so I shouldnt drive. Hell, there are people that shouldnt be allowed to drive while sober (IMO) but w/e
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 16, 2005, 01:11 AM
Adron, felons don't commit crimes against the government, they commit crimes against society.
All crimes that you are sentenced to some punishment for are really crimes against laws the government created. Crimes against society is much more vague and could include attacking Iraq, dropping the a-bomb on Nagasaki, or just taking your bad mood to work and bringing down everyone else ;)
Government is formed by society. Laws created by the governing society keep society in check & functioning.
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 16, 2005, 01:19 AM
Government is formed by society. Laws created by the governing society keep society in check & functioning.
Whatever you say does not change the point I was making.
Government is selected by voting. If government passes rule: It is a crime to not have green hair. And those found guilty of a crime are not allowed to vote. Then the current government (who presumably made sure they had green hair ahead of time) will rule forever.
Green hair isn't a felony.
I highly doubt that the entire population would be in jail so as the only voters were the members of Congress & the President.
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 16, 2005, 08:30 AM
Green hair isn't a felony.
I highly doubt that the entire population would be in jail so as the only voters were the members of Congress & the President.
You're missing his point entirely, or you're just trying to avoid it by bringing up some lame statement.
No I'm not. Green hair is lame, it cannot be compared to murder or kiddnapping or w/e some more felonies are.
Quote from: CrAz3D on November 16, 2005, 01:23 PM
No I'm not. Green hair is lame, it cannot be compared to murder or kiddnapping or w/e some more felonies are.
Tax evasion? Government decides on a $50000 tax, those who cannot pay cannot vote...