Serious pop up problem :\

[Adron]

Internet Explorer has a frequent sites bar. It's the best.

Internet Explorer can still get viruses from websites - no thanks

What browser can you say cannot get viruses from websites? Can you say that IE can get viruses from websites, when configured to disable scripting?

[MyndFyre]

There can be no definitive certainty regarding being able to block all viruses in any browser.  Invariably there is a problem with something somewhere -- it's just that they're more obvious when it happens in a Microsoft product because they're so widely circulated and used -- not to mention the anti-Microsoft people.

[quasi-modo]

That's a pretty bad argument, "mozilla's better, it just is."

how about: It is because I said it is. That is the arguement my parents just love to break out and I can do a thing about it. So suck on that!

[quasi-modo]

Internet Explorer has a frequent sites bar. It's the best.

Internet Explorer can still get viruses from websites - no thanks

What browser can you say cannot get viruses from websites? Can you say that IE can get viruses from websites, when configured to disable scripting?

better disable those applets too, malicious applets....

[iago]

Internet Explorer has a frequent sites bar. It's the best.

Internet Explorer can still get viruses from websites - no thanks

What browser can you say cannot get viruses from websites? Can you say that IE can get viruses from websites, when configured to disable scripting?

Perhaps I should have stated "with a default install".  You'd think default installs would be safe?

[Adron]

Perhaps I should have stated "with a default install".  You'd think default installs would be safe?

IIRC, scripting is disabled by default in the latest IE install (Windows 2003) ?

[Grok]

Perhaps I should have stated "with a default install".  You'd think default installs would be safe?

IIRC, scripting is disabled by default in the latest IE install (Windows 2003) ?

That is correct.  Traditionally, default installs were for maximum interoperability and functionality.  In today's more security-conscious world, the default installs have migrated towards safety and security.

[MyndFyre]

Internet Explorer has a frequent sites bar. It's the best.

Internet Explorer can still get viruses from websites - no thanks

What browser can you say cannot get viruses from websites? Can you say that IE can get viruses from websites, when configured to disable scripting?

Perhaps I should have stated "with a default install".  You'd think default installs would be safe?

You know, I think (sorry Grok) that we ought to license people to use computers.

People ought to know what security and functionality trade-offs they will have to use.  They shouldn't be allowed to use a computer until they go through that.

When I install Windows, the first thing I do is spend about 4 hours configuring all of the functionality that I want out of it, and updating the software to current patches and all that.  On a good day, it only takes four hours.

There's no reason for all these lame-ass people to be using a computer if they can't figure out how to go to Windows Update or use automatic updates.

[Grok]

I disagree with your target, but not with your fix.  People should be required to have user-security training before going on the public internet.  The computers should also be certified by the ISP, and make the ISP responsible for what connects to their network.

[Adron]

I disagree with your target, but not with your fix.  People should be required to have user-security training before going on the public internet.  The computers should also be certified by the ISP, and make the ISP responsible for what connects to their network.

That sounds like a very bad suggestion. Your ISP would control what computers and software you could use? Goodbye choice?

[Grok]

I disagree with your target, but not with your fix.  People should be required to have user-security training before going on the public internet.  The computers should also be certified by the ISP, and make the ISP responsible for what connects to their network.

That sounds like a very bad suggestion. Your ISP would control what computers and software you could use? Goodbye choice?

I didn't say that.

[Adron]

I disagree with your target, but not with your fix.  People should be required to have user-security training before going on the public internet.  The computers should also be certified by the ISP, and make the ISP responsible for what connects to their network.

That sounds like a very bad suggestion. Your ISP would control what computers and software you could use? Goodbye choice?

I didn't say that.

I can't see how what you said wouldn't imply that. If an ISP is to certify computers before allowing them to be connected to the internet, economy will mean that they certify common things. Certifying more than very few packages would be prohibitively expensive since combinations of things often cause new security holes.

And given that the ISP is responsible for what connects to their network, they can't take any chances. Everything has to be 100% safe, so they don't get sued out of business because of a connected computer causing some kind of damage somewhere.

I suppose this is where palladium comes in handy; just require that everything in the computer be signed by the ISP, or the computer won't be allowed on the internet.