Zerg is the #1 Race

[Falcon[anti-yL]]

you're not proving anything by saying "my DTs killed your drones now you take 10minutes to rebuild drones while I kill you with carriers! I text-craft owned you!".

Read all of my posts, where did you get the idea that I was text-crafting or whatever you call it? I was just sharing my strategy, notice that I used opponent and enemy instead of a certain name.

[j0k3r]

Ok really, you can talk, but can you back it up? Arrange to meet online or something you're not proving anything by saying "my DTs killed your drones now you take 10minutes to rebuild drones while I kill you with carriers! I text-craft owned you!".

Brandon, did you miss my post or just ignore it? And it's spelled scourges, not scouragases.

[j0k3r]

Read all of my posts, where did you get the idea that I was text-crafting or whatever you call it? I was just sharing my strategy, notice that I used opponent and enemy instead of a certain name.

DT drops will hopefully take out alot of the opponent's miners, therefore forcing him to build more miners to replace those lost. Thats the opportunity to keep the pressure on them, slowly draining out his defenses in the hope that hes still working on resources. Then come from one side with some carriers cloaked by a few arbiters and if scourges come along, put them into stasis and do a few disruption webs in his defenses followed by storm. That alone could take out alot of their base.

I never said you were using names, I said you were making up scenarios. You don't know that would have happened, and you can't prove it will happen everytime. If you're going to argue, go meet on starcraft. Also, note what you said about starcraft, it's pretty damn balanced, so there is no #1 race, WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT?

It's like saying "In counter-strike, I'll headshot you before you see me!".

[Hitmen]

Tell that to people playing *real* starcraft (non-money maps).

I play both non money and money with one race (zerg).  And just cuase you play non money doesn't make you a real starcraft player that just better qualifies you for WgTour and crap like that.

Never said it does, but I don't consider money maps real starcraft. And playing both types of maps often encourages bad habbits (mainly turtling) when playing real ones.

[AntiVirus]

Brandon, did you miss my post or just ignore it?

No I read that but why do you ask?  And thanks for the spell check.  I can't spell all that great..

[AntiVirus]

WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT?

Witch race we think is better.  And I wouldn't call it arguing cause no one is getting angry.  But w/e its all the same.

[j0k3r]

WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT?

Witch race we think is better.  And I wouldn't call it arguing cause no one is getting angry.  But w/e its all the same.

Why does someone have to get angry for it to be an argument? You're trying to argue over what is the best and how this can do that, when there is no basis behind it. I played over 1500 games when I used to play starcraft, I've seen it all, and nothing is the same twice.

You can't argue about what works in an RTS, because it's always different.

[Tuberload]

WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING ABOUT?

Witch race we think is better.  And I wouldn't call it arguing cause no one is getting angry.  But w/e its all the same.

Why does someone have to get angry for it to be an argument? You're trying to argue over what is the best and how this can do that, when there is no basis behind it. I played over 1500 games when I used to play starcraft, I've seen it all, and nothing is the same twice.

You can't argue about what works in an RTS, because it's always different.

I don't have an opinion on the initial debate, but I do think arguing is when people get mad. Debating, in my opinion, is when everyone is providing valid points, and not just getting mad and slamming people.

Like I said I have no opinion on this thread other than this. I just find it interesting and saw something I don't agree with, so I felt the need to debate it. Let's create a thread in the stupid arguments forum if there is a need to continue this.

[CrackS]

Zerg is THE best race out off all of them as long as you know what your doing.

Tell that to people playing *real* starcraft (non-money maps). The races are near perfectly balanced when you play how you are supposed to. Or even check out the high ranks of WGTour, you'll see that it varies. Zerg is not "the best" -- no race is better than another, everything has a counter. Starcraft is a masterpiece of balance

And if you're playing protoss vs. zerg, you need to get some gateways up right away and put pressure on them with zealots. Don't let them get to the point where they have a counter for everything you do.

Hitmen is exactly right. All the races have advantages and weaknesses to one another. It all depends on how the player plays the race and how they execute their strategy.

I don't consider playing 'money maps' real Starcraft either. To me money maps don't require a strategy. Pretty much it's mass then attack and Turtle. Non-money maps you have to worry about expos. If you turtle you pretty much lose. Also there is no microing involved in money maps.

[Cyber Smoke]

Check this one, it's all about the Zerg =)
http://cybersmoke.chat.ru/zip/best%201v1%20money%20game.rep

And, I completely agree with Adron that on a money map you'll have
lots of trouble using carriers against the zerg. This replay proves it well.

[j0k3r]

Check this one, it's all about the Zerg =)
http://cybersmoke.chat.ru/zip/best%201v1%20money%20game.rep

And, I completely agree with Adron that on a money map you'll have
lots of trouble using carriers against the zerg. This replay proves it well.

One game means nothing, I had played over 1000 games when I still played starcraft, and people are more creative than you think.

Terran got science vessels vs zerg, zerg has plague/swarm vs toss/terran, toss has psy-web/psy storm. It all depends on the skill of the player, not how good the race is.

[Tasha]

Cannons and Dragoons should be good defense for my base, as for scourges, just bring a few corsairs along and toast them. Mass zerglings isn't a very good idea for a large group of reavers since they do 125 splash damage, as the lings crowd around them to attack 1 hit from the reaver would take out alot of zerglings. DT drops are very good at taking out miners and weakening the enemy's economy. Upgraded and massed hydras could take out alot of archons but what if I decide to do a few storms right in the middle of that group?

A good zerg player, such as myself could so easily counter that strategy.

A couple lurker + hydra drops at your minerals to bring back your attack, a couple ultralisks+hydralisks at your front while you're cleaning up your minerals, guardians+mutalisks coming from the side, you lost, k ^.^

As for the dt drop on the minerals, any decent player has a couple lurkers in their mineral line with a sunken/spore colony or two near there.

[muert0]

Any good zerg player is gonna have at least 3-4 ++ hatches by the time you get up the lurkers and hydra for the mineral attack. And a decent defense set up around his minerals so that attack is kinda useless and if you do get the attack it takes 1-2 minutes to get up another set of 10 drones so it doesn't really do much. Attack wise I just build about 20-30 hatches,  fully upgrade, then rally and kill. If anyone attacks you base 90 hydra poppin up usually screws any attack up for someone else.

[cefx-]

It's like saying "In counter-strike, I'll headshot you before you see me!".

Counter-Strike is fun, wish I still had the game....
Or hell, a computer even.

In Addendum:
He's right.  It's very well balanced.  Why argue the nuance of each race?

[WoOdTroll]

On vanilla (reg) Starcraft.

Zerg is the best race, because mutas own > all, and no dont argue, I'll kill you before you get more then can make your reavers, archons etc. Against terran. Well you just harras, and well there isn't a stim or meds, so owned there.

But the broodwar came along. Thats when it became balanced.