To build a wall (of any sort) or not

[CrAz3D]

Alot of my friends agree with a wall.  To me, a wall makes perfect sense in securing our borders.  While chatting with one of my ultra-liberal (eeks) friends we were talkin about immigration, I said we need a wall, she basically laughed at me.

I don't see how a wall is bad in any way shape or form except for MAYBE the people trying to get here illegally (immigrants or otherwise).

If you vote NO WALL, please explain why.

EDIT:
serious replies ony, please.

[disco]

I say we build a moat and fill it with sharks with laser beams attached to their heads.

[MyndFyre]

A wall, like the motion to deport all the illegals, is impractical.

We provide a path to legalization (not citizenship) for those who are currently here illegally.

We make it easy to get here legally.

We put technology on the border -- UAVs, radar, and ground sensors.  These things will ultimately be far more effective at detecting intruders than a wall that has to constantly be monitored.

Besides, if we make it easy to get here for work easy, only the people who have something to lose (i.e. drug dealers, human traffickers, terrorists) will try to cross the border illegally.

[CrAz3D]

A wall, like the motion to deport all the illegals, is impractical.

We provide a path to legalization (not citizenship) for those who are currently here illegally.

We make it easy to get here legally.

We put technology on the border -- UAVs, radar, and ground sensors.  These things will ultimately be far more effective at detecting intruders than a wall that has to constantly be monitored.

Besides, if we make it easy to get here for work easy, only the people who have something to lose (i.e. drug dealers, human traffickers, terrorists) will try to cross the border illegally.

I pretty much agree.
But I believe a wall ought to be step 3 out of a 3 step program to reclaim America for Americans.

1) Provide a "jump to the front of the line" for naturalization (not straight amnesty which, as I understand, is just a free pass).  Allow people the chance to earn their citizenship.
2) Guest worker program.  Only one person per family, preferably males.  If we allow women then they have children here & then the woman becomes apart of our society through a loophole.
3) Wall.  A wall could use motion sensors and wouldn't have to be monitored by people other than regular ports of entry & maybe every 5 miles (or so).  By using underground motion sensors we could find tunnels.  We could us infrared cameras/UAVs/regular cameras to monitor the border otherwise, also.

It just makes so much more sense to have a secure border.  Why would anyone choose a guest worker program where they have to pay taxes over walking over a line & saving money by not paying taxes?

[MyndFyre]

Oh, I'm also in support of removing the "citizen by birthright" thing.  I forgot to mention that.  A parent has to be a citizen for you to be a citizen by birthright.

[dxoigmn]

So why no border along the canadian border? Ah...I get it now. It's not about terrorists getting into our country; it's all about keeping Mexicans out. Racist? Some believe so, and I tend to agree.

[MyndFyre]

So why no border along the canadian border? Ah...I get it now. It's not about terrorists getting into our country; it's all about keeping Mexicans out. Racist? Some believe so, and I tend to agree.

I don't know if you're addressing me or CrAz3D.  But note that I have not said "the Mexican border," but simply "the border."

[dxoigmn]

So why no border along the canadian border? Ah...I get it now. It's not about terrorists getting into our country; it's all about keeping Mexicans out. Racist? Some believe so, and I tend to agree.

I don't know if you're addressing me or CrAz3D.  But note that I have not said "the Mexican border," but simply "the border."

I am addressing the topic creator since the poll subject specifically states: "Should there be a wall built across the US-Mexico border?".

[111787]

We don't need a straight up Wall.  Some sort of physical impedment does make since though.  Probably some sort of advanced network of sensors(thermal, motion, visual, etc) would probably more practical.  This would be pretty expensive, so I would also agree with a far far far right type plan.  Basically, put out cheap wooden signs on the border that say in spanish "This sign is on an imgainary line, If you cross this line without permission you will be shot on site"  then we really shoot them.

[raylu]

Then, every truck that drove across the border, including from the U.S., would get picked up...

Reminds me of that anti-Communist missile defense system we set up with Canada...forgot the name though.

[Banana fanna fo fanna]

So why no border along the canadian border? Ah...I get it now. It's not about terrorists getting into our country; it's all about keeping Mexicans out. Racist? Some believe so, and I tend to agree.

I don't know if you're addressing me or CrAz3D.  But note that I have not said "the Mexican border," but simply "the border."

I am addressing the topic creator since the poll subject specifically states: "Should there be a wall built across the US-Mexico border?".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but though there is a drug trafficking problem, there is no human trafficking/"culture wars" going on at the Canadian border.

[Joe[x86]]

And Joe ties it! Wall.

[CrAz3D]

So why no border along the canadian border? Ah...I get it now. It's not about terrorists getting into our country; it's all about keeping Mexicans out. Racist? Some believe so, and I tend to agree.

I totally agree that we need to secure both borders.  However, the mexican border is obviously a higher priority as their government is overly corrupt and ineffecient (as ours is becoming because we let non-citizens throw their 'weight' around).

The US-Canada border, as I feel, is much safer because both sides have developed governments and laws that are generally enforced.  Mexico is a different story.

[Forged]

I don't see a wall helping all that much and it being extrodinarilly expensive.

[Banana fanna fo fanna]

I'd rather see the government levy massive fines against businesses that hire illegals, and use that cash to increase enforcement of laws, and take the rest and put it towards alt. energy.