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Quote from: Grok on March 09, 2004, 06:14 AM

Quote from: Adron on March 08, 2004, 05:37 PM

Quote from: Grok on March 08, 2004, 05:33 PM
Women now have the right to participate equally in government and generally everyone is treated better.  

Is this confirmed? I read some article that claimed maybe things weren't really changing, the country was just getting some new masters.

Not confirmed.  I have only the media to rely on, as this is not important enough for me to travel to Afghanistan for independent evaluation.  Wonder what Amnesty International says.

I think we have to find out for sure.  Everybody in vL should send in $50 so we can send Grok to Afghanistan.  It might only be enough money to get THERE and not BACK, but either way our research will get done


Hazard - don't make me use the Chewbacca Defense again

Quote from: Telos on March 09, 2004, 07:33 AM

Quote from: Adron on March 09, 2004, 04:42 AM
It's not really that. It's that they think they're always right. That they don't participate on equal/proportional terms. They decide that something is "wrong", and then they go "fix" that. They may consult others, but those consultations are merely a formality. They don't listen to others. At the same time, they themselves are doing and supporting things considered "wrong" by the others. They care only about themselves and their own interests. They are greedy and selfish. They share the soul of Microsoft. They are evil incarnate.

Think I covered a good share of the reasons?

I agree.  I think snubbing the UN was one of the dumbest things the US has ever done with respect to international politics.

Hmmm well to say that really shows a miscomprehension of the power of the United States.  As far as the citizens of the United States are concerned, the U.N. has no power over the U.S.A.  The United Nations is not part of our government, we do not vote on them or make them liable to our checks and balances.  As far as we're concerned they are on par with France, with regards to actual power.

That is not to say that we think the U.N. is a bad idea.  But as Adron so eloquently illustrated, our country is set up to look after our country.  That fact is what will require adjusting if we are to participate in this global community.  50-100 years ago, this was not necessary for many reasons, especially media inability to see everything, everywhere, instantly.

14) If you're getting on an unfamilier bus, look at the map or ask the driver if it goes to the right place.  I take the "University Super Express", which does about 3/4 of its route without stopping.  Today, we had a record 5 people who wanted to get off and had to go argue with the driver who let them off eventually.  

15) If you are standing behind someone dont let youre coat touch the back of the persons head in front.

16) If you have long hair, make sure it's not sitting on the lap of the person behind you.  It's ughy.

Quote from: crashtestdummy on March 09, 2004, 01:11 AM
to hazard: What makes you think you know all of the facts?

I refuse to condemn somebody or an action when I don't have all of the relevant facts, in this case you don't.

Quote from: Hazard on March 09, 2004, 03:28 PMI refuse to condemn somebody or an action when I don't have all of the relevant facts, in this case you don't.

Tell that to the robber you shot who wanted your wallet so he could buy bread for his impoverished family.  I don't remember you asking him for all the facts.

Quote from: Grok on March 09, 2004, 03:56 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 09, 2004, 03:28 PMI refuse to condemn somebody or an action when I don't have all of the relevant facts, in this case you don't.

Tell that to the robber you shot who wanted your wallet so he could buy bread for his impoverished family.  I don't remember you asking him for all the facts.

The fact is he broke into my home while armed. I'm talking about a third party situation by the way.

Quote from: Hazard on March 09, 2004, 05:12 PM

Quote from: Grok on March 09, 2004, 03:56 PM
Tell that to the robber you shot who wanted your wallet so he could buy bread for his impoverished family.  I don't remember you asking him for all the facts.

The fact is he broke into my home while armed. I'm talking about a third party situation by the way.

He has the HUMAN RIGHT to protect his life and his family from starvation at all costs. You have no right to kill a man who is merely protecting his life and his family.

Quote from: Grok on March 09, 2004, 09:43 AM
But as Adron so eloquently illustrated, our country is set up to look after our country.  That fact is what will require adjusting if we are to participate in this global community.  

Yes, I think that's one big reason you're disliked. You just seem completely untrustworthy. Predictable though, so I suppose you can be trusted to do whatever suits your immediate needs (like a child).

But, enough bashing, I just wanted to try to give a few possible reasons, something for those Americans who don't realize that the USA isn't loved by everyone to think about.

Sorry about the unreadable jumble of crap.
I don't think killing people, for killing people was the right way to go about it.
They shipped bombs to afghanistan, when the only people they could actually prove
were involved were dead. So they killed innocents for innocents. Does that make sense?

Anybody watch Tru Calling?  

On one episode, a guy was robbing a store (without a gun, he just said he had a gun) and got shot by the owner.  Turns out his daughter was about to die if she didn't get certain medication which he couldn't afford.  Guess it's ok if they both die, though, because the store owner didn't mind murdering him on the assumption that he was just an ordinary criminal.  Of course, if he had just hit the door-lock button, the police would have come and he might have had a chance to explain himself.

Quote from: iago on March 10, 2004, 01:32 PMOn one episode, a guy was robbing a store (without a gun, he just said he had a gun) and got shot by the owner.  Turns out his daughter was about to die if she didn't get certain medication which he couldn't afford.  Guess it's ok if they both die, though, because the store owner didn't mind murdering him on the assumption that he was just an ordinary criminal.  Of course, if he had just hit the door-lock button, the police would have come and he might have had a chance to explain himself.

What door?  The guy was already in the store before claiming to be armed.  Besides which, most businesses probably don't want the expense of buying a door that could resist being shot, so a truly armed criminal could've shot the store owner out of spite for locking him out.

Incidentally, saving the robber was not the objective.  If the cops had come to let him explain himself, his daughter would have died in the interim from heart failure.  The correct solution to the problem was to see to it that the robber died in a way that did not destroy his heart, so that it could be properly transferred to his daughter, who was the intended survivor of the episode.  The whole reason Tru had to get involved was that the store owner shot the robber through the heart, rendering it unusable for transplant.  You should pay more attention to detail.

Since the store owner shot the heart donor, effectively murdering the innocent daughter, he should be tried for manslaughter.

Quote from: Grok on March 10, 2004, 03:45 PMSince the store owner shot the heart donor, effectively murdering the innocent daughter, he should be tried for manslaughter.

eh?  The heart donor didn't even know he was going to be a heart donor until he was about dead on the last pass through the day!  If he didn't know, how could anyone else have known?  For that matter, would you propose that anyone who causes a death which destroys otherwise donatable organs is guilty of causing the deaths of the people who would be saved by those organs?  What about if an individual prolonged the life of a perfectly good donor, thereby depriving the needy of those organs because the original owner was still using them?