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Quote from: Mitosis on January 10, 2004, 05:00 PM

Quote from: Hitmen on January 10, 2004, 03:57 PM
I don't see how an aborted fetus is a "life form to be".

A embryo grows into a baby.

You missed the key word. aborted. Why not use the fetus for stem cell reaserch if you're just gonna chuck it anyways?

Hot damn, the man has a point.

Quote from: St0rm.iD on January 10, 2004, 05:32 PM
My semen is a life form to be. Really. And I waste it all the time.

I think we, as a society, need to decide where life begins.

I disagree.  We need to decide on where life is reasonably worth legislating protection for.

Quote from: St0rm.iD on January 10, 2004, 06:44 PM
Hot damn, the man has a point.

I see your point. If your just going to have an abortion, you might as well give it to research. But Im saying that its not right to have abortions. Your just killing a human being. And who can say whether you can kill or not?

Quote from: Mitosis on January 10, 2004, 03:02 PM
But seriously why waste life-forms-to-be on something we arent exactly certain on? Explain that to me.

This is the central point: We're not wasting things there isn't a surplus of. We can produce more of your "life-forms-to-be" than can be supported already. Lots of born and somewhat grown human children die from lack of nourishment/starvation already. It would be much better to concentrate on saving those that already have gotten a bit further. We can produce many more "life-forms-to-be" than we'll ever be able to support growing up. So, once we've filled the quota, we can use the remainder for stem-cell research.

Quote from: Mitosis on January 11, 2004, 07:01 AM
I see your point. If your just going to have an abortion, you might as well give it to research. But Im saying that its not right to have abortions. Your just killing a human being. And who can say whether you can kill or not?

We care too much about human life. Human life isn't any more unique than every tree growing outside your window is, or every cat or dog or pet, or ...

Life is life. Why should we care more about human life than about all the other life?

Sentient vs non-sentient, in my opinion.

Quote from: St0rm.iD on January 11, 2004, 09:40 AM
Sentient vs non-sentient, in my opinion.

That rule allows abortion though - you can't show that a foetus is any more sentient than a cat, bird or similar animal.

How about a law that says killing of non-sentient life is allowed? That allows abortion, masturbation, and deforestation. Hurray!

Quote from: St0rm.iD on January 11, 2004, 09:55 AM
How about a law that says killing of non-sentient life is allowed? That allows abortion, masturbation, and deforestation. Hurray!

Just make sure not to make specific laws against it. I.e., you're still not allowed to kill someone else's non-sentient life forms.

Quote from: Mitosis on January 10, 2004, 07:26 AM
Yes it may keep the criminal from killing again, but honestly. Is it right to take someones life no matter what they have done? For all we know, lets say the person does get the death penalty, what if we find out months later that it wasnt really that person? Ooops, sorry. Thats why we should look to better solutions than Capital Punishment.

If you get the death penalty, there is an automatic required appeal.  Along with the time that would take, most inmates sit on death row for years awaiting death.

On a side note: Capitol punishment is more expensive than a similar case where the verdict was life imprisonment.  

Quote from: kamakazie on January 11, 2004, 11:05 AM
On a side note: Capitol punishment is more expensive than a similar case where the verdict was life imprisonment.  

That's a problem. Should try to save money instead. Only use capital punishment for clear cases, and then do away with them quickly without appeal.

Im not exactly against Capital Punishment. Just I think that for only SERIOUS cases it can be an option to use. Instead for every murder.

Quote from: Adron on January 11, 2004, 11:16 AM

Quote from: kamakazie on January 11, 2004, 11:05 AM
On a side note: Capitol punishment is more expensive than a similar case where the verdict was life imprisonment.  

That's a problem. Should try to save money instead. Only use capital punishment for clear cases, and then do away with them quickly without appeal.

There is a law that any conviction with the penalty of death requires an automatic appeal.  I believe it's a protection device so the government doesn't kill people that were actually innocent.

Quote from: Mitosis on January 11, 2004, 12:25 PM
Im not exactly against Capital Punishment. Just I think that for only SERIOUS cases it can be an option to use. Instead for every murder.

That's not the question. It's more expensive to go through the legal proceedings to execute someone than it is to hold them in jail forever.