Valhalla Legends Archive

Quote from: iago[yL] on May 24, 2004, 04:37 PM
I said no because I'm racist against CSB

I feel a hate crime coming.

I voted no, because, it's just too easy. People will take advantage of it, like they do with the CSB for Visual Basic 6.

It's funny that most of the comments are "no", yet almost half the votes are "yes"

If it wasn't for the fact that all the "CSB.NET" users would come here crying that they can't get it to work, I would say "by all means, make a CSB.NET". But, those idiots always manage to find a way to these forums..., so my vote's no. Of course, if you really wanted to do this, a simple overwhelming "no" vote wouldn't stop you, would it? It wouldn't stop me.

Quote from: Grok on May 25, 2004, 01:43 AM
It's funny that most of the comments are "no", yet almost half the votes are "yes"

Maybe CSB users are so stupid that, just like they can't figure out how to write a VB program, they can't figure out how to send a reply to the thread?

I hope that's the case.

Quote from: tA-Kane on May 25, 2004, 02:28 AMMaybe CSB users are so stupid that, just like they can't figure out how to write a VB program, they can't figure out how to send a reply to the thread?

I hope that's the case.

I voted yes without any real opinion on the matter so I didn't post.

Quote from: tA-Kane on May 25, 2004, 02:28 AM
If it wasn't for the fact that all the "CSB.NET" users would come here crying that they can't get it to work, I would say "by all means, make a CSB.NET". But, those idiots always manage to find a way to these forums..., so my vote's no. Of course, if you really wanted to do this, a simple overwhelming "no" vote wouldn't stop you, would it? It wouldn't stop me.

Quote from: Grok on May 25, 2004, 01:43 AM
It's funny that most of the comments are "no", yet almost half the votes are "yes"

Maybe CSB users are so stupid that, just like they can't figure out how to write a VB program, they can't figure out how to send a reply to the thread?

I hope that's the case.

I've been contemplating the idea of making users either use the forum I provide or -- if they come crying here, I'll just deactivate their key.  I post here pretty regularly, so I'm typically available to direct lusers to the right spot -- or if I'm mean-spirited that day, turn their bot off.  

Quote from: Grok on May 25, 2004, 01:43 AM
It's funny that most of the comments are "no", yet almost half the votes are "yes"

Clearly the yes people have no reason.

Isn't it more the creators call to do with what he pleases? Why ask other peoples opinions and base what you do off of what other people say. Be your own person and do what you want

Rescinded: "I voted "NO" just cause it shouldn't be our place to really say what you should do." I was going to vote after post and decided not to do it, I would of contradicted everything I just said regardless of what I voted.

Quote from: tA-Kane on May 25, 2004, 02:28 AM
If it wasn't for the fact that all the "CSB.NET" users would come here crying that they can't get it to work, I would say "by all means, make a CSB.NET". But, those idiots always manage to find a way to these forums..., so my vote's no. Of course, if you really wanted to do this, a simple overwhelming "no" vote wouldn't stop you, would it? It wouldn't stop me.

Quote from: Grok on May 25, 2004, 01:43 AM
It's funny that most of the comments are "no", yet almost half the votes are "yes"

Maybe CSB users are so stupid that, just like they can't figure out how to write a VB program, they can't figure out how to send a reply to the thread?

I hope that's the case.

Rofl! That made my day.

I guess it would be fine for people that are familar with battle.net with past programming experience that just want to use .NET.  But I still voted No.

I voted: Yes.

CSB has served its purpose in at least my case. CSB served as a launchpad for me -- my VB classes at school and my own Google research at home provided me with a foundation in the language that your basic "CSB newbie" lacks, and CSB acted as a springboard for me, allowing me to focus on the other aspects of program design before beginning to deal with Battle.net and Winsock communication.

The greatest issue I have with the stereotypical CSB programming newbie is that they have no interest in actually problem-solving. If I have a problem in code, I figure out what steps I can take to resolve it, then perhaps enlist the aid of Google or these forums as well as my own knowledge of the language and program flow.

Additionally, CupHead and Zorm wrote several pages of documentation for their control, which none of the stereotypical people seem to be able to comprehend. The vast majority of my questions regarding the operation of CSB were very quickly resolved by actually reading these two documents.

In the end, it comes down to this: If you create a .NET version of CSB, some people will benefit from it. At the same time, the same stereotypical bunch of people who have no wish to expand their knowledge and only want to slap their name on a program for public release will invade your .NET forum with stupid questions.

Edit: Fixed URL tags.

People who use CSB are usually flamed/looked down on here and elsewhere. This would just probably just reiterate that. However, if it does have a strong auth and require some sort of test I'd guess it wouldn't be that bad.

Quote from: LordNevar on May 25, 2004, 09:55 AM
Isn't it more the creators call to do with what he pleases? Why ask other peoples opinions and base what you do off of what other people say. Be your own person and do what you want

The real secret reason for me polling is because I'm working on a project for Grok and Adron, in an attempt to score candidacy for vL.  I don't want half the vL members voting "no" on a potential candidacy because I released something that the majority of vL members dislike (that is, another newblet-helper that inundates them with help questions).

This post on the .NET forum got me thinking about it:

Quote from: Grok on May 23, 2004, 08:16 PM
But -- you could write the new CSB.NET for everyone!  Then everyone could be a L33T.NET bot developer by including your assembly in their solution.
</sarcasm> please dont

I realize that some people in vL respect CSB, and others really disdain it.  I don't want them "no"-ing me just because I've made a souped-up version of something they hate already.  

Quote from: Myndfyre on May 25, 2004, 02:24 PM
I don't want them "no"-ing me

eww, it took me ~6.4 seconds to realize you were talking about the vL test and not replacing 'know' with 'no' for some odd reason.

I think that if you want to make something like a "CSB.Net" than by all means go for it, Like I stated before it's should be the creators decision on what he want's to do with it. People will alway's "Flame" what you do or what you say, It's how the world works. Noone is perfect and noone ever will be. It should be more for how much satisfaction you get out of your work when your done, and not how much trouble you think it is going to cause for other people. If people alway's worried about what other people thought, Than the world wouldn't be were it is today.