Valhalla Legends Archive

Quote from: Eli_1 on May 12, 2004, 07:48 PM
This is disgusting. *switches to linux*

Right, because you're so tired of using Longhorn on Palladium.  I hear you.

Quote from: Grok on May 12, 2004, 08:58 PM

Quote from: Eli_1 on May 12, 2004, 07:48 PM
This is disgusting. *switches to linux*

Right, because you're so tired of using Longhorn on Palladium.  I hear you.

If what the article says is true, it'll be about 2-3 years after this is released that everything on the net will require this operating system, so whether you switch right away or not will make no difference.

You have the worlds 3 largest computer companys combined, unfortunately, this thing is falling through whether people like it or not.

Businesses will probably appreciate the higher security features and protection provided in Palladium, and since the software they use is mostly from Microsoft and other software vendors (and that software will undoubtfully be approved by the system), they won't really care.  The home user will probably appreciate it in the sense they won't run the serious risk of downloading and running executables which contain viruses, or infected software unapproved by the system.  However, people who choose to download illegal software, hack, etc. will probably not favor this, but we're not suppose to like those people.    Additionally, this will produce a more stable environment, and help with the Longhorn server for those who argue Windows security and stability sucks.  

A question I have though, is that will programs you write beable to compile and run freely without the system approval?  Or is it really that strictly imposed?

No, it will destroy any kind of free software and basically make Microsoft a psuedo-monoply.

Again: who really cares?  People who *shouldn't* be copying music or software anyway?

People will just come up with more creative ways of copying CDs -- for example, high school kids might make a pool of money to buy CDs, maybe 5 people all put in to buy one CD and they all rip the music from it.

How about people who copy software?  Yay, finally, stupid lamer newb kids won't be able to just go and download Visual Basic and after 5 minutes think they know everything they've ever needed to write enterprise-class software.

The point is -- you shouldn't care if anybody is watching if you're not doing anything wrong.

Quote from: Myndfyre on May 13, 2004, 03:41 AM
Again: who really cares?  People who *shouldn't* be copying music or software anyway?

People will just come up with more creative ways of copying CDs -- for example, high school kids might make a pool of money to buy CDs, maybe 5 people all put in to buy one CD and they all rip the music from it.

How about people who copy software?  Yay, finally, stupid lamer newb kids won't be able to just go and download Visual Basic and after 5 minutes think they know everything they've ever needed to write enterprise-class software.

The point is -- you shouldn't care if anybody is watching if you're not doing anything wrong.

*Installs cameras throughout mynd's house*

Quote from: Myndfyre on May 13, 2004, 03:41 AM
Again: who really cares?  People who *shouldn't* be copying music or software anyway?

People will just come up with more creative ways of copying CDs -- for example, high school kids might make a pool of money to buy CDs, maybe 5 people all put in to buy one CD and they all rip the music from it.

How about people who copy software?  Yay, finally, stupid lamer newb kids won't be able to just go and download Visual Basic and after 5 minutes think they know everything they've ever needed to write enterprise-class software.

The point is -- you shouldn't care if anybody is watching if you're not doing anything wrong.

Yeah President Bush says the same thing, but I do care.

Even if I am doing nothing wrong I like my privacy, and do not see how these companys have the right to deny me my privacy.

Quote from: j0k3r on May 12, 2004, 09:09 PM

Quote from: Grok on May 12, 2004, 08:58 PM

Quote from: Eli_1 on May 12, 2004, 07:48 PM
This is disgusting. *switches to linux*

Right, because you're so tired of using Longhorn on Palladium.  I hear you.

If what the article says is true, it'll be about 2-3 years after this is released that everything on the net will require this operating system, so whether you switch right away or not will make no difference.

You have the worlds 3 largest computer companys combined, unfortunately, this thing is falling through whether people like it or not.

Perhaps if what it says is true.  I would think that it's not good practice to form your entire view of something based on one (unnamed!) source.

Ugh... Between the EU, product delays, and the Linux "push", Longhorn isn't going to market for another 3 years, AT THE LEAST". Why are we so worried now?  BTW, MS has promised voice enabled PC's in the near future, so I wouldn't be surprised if they blind the public with the bells and whistles of what could be Longhorn and stear them away from all the "what you can't do". Let's face it, were all computer nerds who want to know what freedoms will be taken away next. I can't see granny with her new HP worrying about TC...

Three years?  No.  According to several up-to-date source, Longhorn is predicted by sources and analysts to be out in late 2004 or early 2005.  However, it is possible the operating system will not be released until early 2006.  I once read on average, thnough, that Microsoft takes an average of 40 months to design, develop, and test a large-scale operating system such as Windows NT or in this case, Windows NT 6.0 (Longhorn).

Ok, well.. Ballmer said 2007 is expected release date. He also stated that there is no plan for an interim operating system before Longhorn but the possiblity of a pre-Longhorn server release, which he said is a "possiblity"..

Edit: Ballmer didn't actually specify a date. IE: 2007, but he did say that Longhorn will be released later then expected and cut backs are being made in order to "get it out the door" quickly.

I think late 2004 was the expected release date for the beta.

I've heard otherwise about operating systems being released before Longhorn.  I believe there's plans for a Windows Server 2004 release.  Apparantly one of my Mom's friend's business beta tested some Windows 2004 software claiming it was great.  Additionally, service packs are suppose to be released for Windows Server 2003 and Windows XP sometime in late 2004.  I somehow doubt the Windows Server 2004 release, however.  Additionally, I've heard from Microsoft that a second revision of Windows XP is suppose to be released before Longhorn.

What will be in the 2nd revision of XP?

Quote from: Bsd on May 13, 2004, 12:37 PM
Ok, well.. Ballmer said 2007 is expected release date. He also stated that there is no plan for an interim operating system before Longhorn but the possiblity of a pre-Longhorn server release, which he said is a "possiblity"..

Edit: Ballmer didn't actually specify a date. IE: 2007, but he did say that Longhorn will be released later then expected and cut backs are being made in order to "get it out the door" quickly.

After the release of the LCP (Longhorn Client Preview) at PDC 2003, there was *supposed* to be a Beta -- according to an MSDN subscriber's thing I read somewhere -- in Q1 2004.  Obviously that hasn't happened, and we're stuck with the crappier-than-cow-poop LCP pre-alpha that is available on MSDN (it doesn't work for me, or else I'd be using it).

I can't imagine that there will be a Server 2004.  They just released Server 2003, and it has yet to go through the bajillion service packs that all NT Server products go through.  It would not be economical for their customers, and all the marketing MS has done for Server 2003 would now be wasted.

I expect a beta of Longhorn in Q3 or Q4 2004, and it released in Q3 or Q4 2005.