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Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.  

Woo, this is going to get flamed

Quote from: iago on March 06, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.

The idea is to enlighten people to the real and present threat. The open eyes of all citizens will help to guard against terrorism and terrorist activities.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 01:34 PM

Quote from: iago on March 06, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.

The idea is to enlighten people to the real and present threat. The open eyes of all citizens will help to guard against terrorism and terrorist activities.

Drunk drivers kill more people than terrorists; the only difference is that the terrorists have a reason and the drunk drivers are just idiots.

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 02:43 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 01:34 PM

Quote from: iago on March 06, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.

The idea is to enlighten people to the real and present threat. The open eyes of all citizens will help to guard against terrorism and terrorist activities.

Drunk drivers kill more people than terrorists; the only difference is that the terrorists have a reason and the drunk drivers are just idiots.

A reason? Are you saying that they are justified in killing innocent civilians for no reason other than race and creed? Do the letters KKK come to mind?

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 03:29 PM

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 02:43 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 01:34 PM

Quote from: iago on March 06, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.

The idea is to enlighten people to the real and present threat. The open eyes of all citizens will help to guard against terrorism and terrorist activities.

Drunk drivers kill more people than terrorists; the only difference is that the terrorists have a reason and the drunk drivers are just idiots.

A reason? Are you saying that they are justified in killing innocent civilians for no reason other than race and creed? Do the letters KKK come to mind?

Killing people because they are a different race (like that) is better than killing completely random people because of sheer stupidity (drunk drivers).  At least the former are doing what they think is the right thing.

And, taking 9-11 for an example, they weren't targetting a specific race or creed at all, they were targetting Americans, or, more generally, capitalism.  Americans come in every race, shape, and form.  

American soldiers went to Iraq and killed lots of Iraqis.  Did you know that that's also a race?  So, if somebody agrees with what you said, they must also agree that American soldiers are also on par with the KKK.  And, if you say that they were "just following orders", then they're on par with Nazis.  Which is it?

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 03:29 PMA reason? Are you saying that they are justified in killing innocent civilians for no reason other than race and creed? Do the letters KKK come to mind?

Were those the guys with guns and ropes?

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 03:51 PM
And, taking 9-11 for an example, they weren't targetting a specific race or creed at all, they were targetting Americans, or, more generally, capitalism.  Americans come in every race, shape, and form.

You don't think so?  I believe it was mostly an attack against Jewish people and directly related to Israel's situation in Palestine.  Most of the significant people in the World Trade Center were Jewish.  Osama bin Laden believes America's support of Israel is the reason Israel cannot be defeated in the Middle East.

I could have some or all of this wrong, but that's what I understand.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 01:34 PM

Quote from: iago on March 06, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.

The idea is to enlighten people to the real and present threat. The open eyes of all citizens will help to guard against terrorism and terrorist activities.

Perhaps.  The terrorists are aiming to disrupt society as much as possible, though, so you need to be careful not to fall into the trap of making life miserable for legitimate citizens in the cause of security.

Quote from: Skywing on March 07, 2004, 04:06 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 01:34 PM

Quote from: iago on March 06, 2004, 03:40 AM
Bush/whoever's in charge has people absolutely terrified of Terrorists.  Anything that even remotely resembles it will result in consequences because people are too afraid to say otherwise.  Just like Commies, Nazis, etc., who were probably no more of a threat.

The idea is to enlighten people to the real and present threat. The open eyes of all citizens will help to guard against terrorism and terrorist activities.

Perhaps.  The terrorists are aiming to disrupt society as much as possible, though, so you need to be careful not to fall into the trap of making life miserable for legitimate citizens in the cause of security.

Well absolutly not. I'm saying that raising awareness for specific or unusual behaviors is a good thing.

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 03:51 PM
Killing people because they are a different race (like that) is better than killing completely random people because of sheer stupidity (drunk drivers).  At least the former are doing what they think is the right thing.

So you're saying that what they did was morally right? Since it was for a "pure" purpose?

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 03:51 PM
And, taking 9-11 for an example, they weren't targetting a specific race or creed at all, they were targetting Americans, or, more generally, capitalism.  Americans come in every race, shape, and form.

They targeted Americans in general. Its the same idea.

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 03:51 PM
American soldiers went to Iraq and killed lots of Iraqis.  Did you know that that's also a race?  So, if somebody agrees with what you said, they must also agree that American soldiers are also on par with the KKK.  And, if you say that they were "just following orders", then they're on par with Nazis.  Which is it?

The difference was of course that the attack on Iraq was specific to target Iraqi insurgents and military. The terrorists made no such effort.

As a side note, if you make a trip into the US I'd keep the opinions about how you think 911 was justified to yourself unless you want to be shipped home in a pine box.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 06:04 PM
So you're saying that what they did was morally right? Since it was for a "pure" purpose?

Morals are relative.  To them, yes, it was morally right.  To us, it's morally wrong.  Although it's a pretty typically american way of thinking that everybody thinks the same as them.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 06:04 PM
They targeted Americans in general. Its the same idea.

And Americans are targetting Iraqis in general.  They're trying to limit their attacks to military targets, but that doesn't always happen.  Again, Americans think that their way is the only right way; not everybody thinks the same way.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 06:04 PM
As a side note, if you make a trip into the US I'd keep the opinions about how you think 911 was justified to yourself unless you want to be shipped home in a pine box.

Again, typically american.  In Canada, people will argue and tell you that your idea is stupid, but they won't kill somebody over an opinion.  

Who lets americans, who have attitudes like this, carry guns, anyway?  It's no wonder they have 100x the murder rate of any other country.

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hazard: As a side note, if you make a trip into the US I'd keep the opinions about how you think 911 was justified to yourself unless you want to be shipped home in a pine box.

For someone who is all about their freedoms, statements like that seem really ignorant.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 03:29 PM
A reason? Are you saying that they are justified in killing innocent civilians for no reason other than race and creed? Do the letters KKK come to mind?

They probably think that it will help protect their homes and families. America is the big evil that will swallow them unless they do something, anything. Someone recently argued that it's a human right to do everything in your power to protect yourself and your family.

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 07:50 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 06:04 PM
They targeted Americans in general. Its the same idea.

And Americans are targetting Iraqis in general.

Iraqi insurgents. Get it right. Terrorists make no such effort to avoid civilian casualties.

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 07:50 PM

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 06:04 PM
As a side note, if you make a trip into the US I'd keep the opinions about how you think 911 was justified to yourself unless you want to be shipped home in a pine box.

Again, typically american.  In Canada, people will argue and tell you that your idea is stupid, but they won't kill somebody over an opinion.

Canada didn't have their two tallest structures skewered by Boeings then explode into a fireball and crumble to the ground killing thousands.

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 07:50 PM
Who lets americans, who have attitudes like this, carry guns, anyway?  It's no wonder they have 100x the murder rate of any other country.

It wouldn't be smart to go to Israel and tell them they deserve it for their actions with Palestine either.

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 08:16 PM

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 07:50 PM
Who lets americans, who have attitudes like this, carry guns, anyway?  It's no wonder they have 100x the murder rate of any other country.

It wouldn't be smart to go to Israel and tell them they deserve it for their actions with Palestine either.

Ah, so what you're saying is that the United States has the same level of freedom as Israel?  What happened to Freedom of Speech?  

Quote from: Hazard on March 07, 2004, 08:16 PM

Quote from: iago on March 07, 2004, 07:50 PM
Who lets americans, who have attitudes like this, carry guns, anyway?  It's no wonder they have 100x the murder rate of any other country.

It wouldn't be smart to go to Israel and tell them they deserve it for their actions with Palestine either.

No, that wouldn't be smart. Arguing with terrorists can be dangerous to your health. Terrorists might well ship you back to your home country in a box. Luckily iago lives in a civilized country, where he can safely express his views.