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Quote from: Gangz on January 27, 2004, 04:03 PM
You guys take it to a whole new level I think it would do alot of good to have a site explaining Like operators, reading from text files, and blah blah blah. The basic shit that people ask for like 38905743958 times a day.

http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/

u just have to go and build that damn coffee shop dont you , my thoughts.. waste of time , people wont read the code they will copy and paste it like the ravernous bloodhounds that they are. Its common Human nature to take the short road.

What someone should really do is publish a guide to effectively searching Google. I've found more explanations, detailed information and descriptions of issues I've had through Google than anywhere else.

Ok you guys are blowing this way out of poportion because first if this site were to be made it would be basically on specfic things possibly more related b.net. And when you guys are talking about copying and pasting? WTF I did say that whatever should be on the site should come from these forums unless you guys gave actual code then thats your fault for doing that but I am assuming that you guys haven't done that. Google broadens your search, why not have a simple easy site for all your needs right there?

Maybe we should just have a 'bot programmers for hire' section too?

^ What does that have to do with anything?

I believe most of you are misunderstanding what I am proposing. This site that could be made should have content from here or where ever else that will help people rather than the same person asking the same question 98234 times over and over again. For those advanced programmers like the vL clan and some others this probably wont be a resource for you becuase well the info and content is most likely coming from you so if you think that its a copy and paste type thing people are doing its your fault for giving out this information other wise it should be a really good resource site.

Nobody is stopping you from making your crappy coffee shop so why not go ahead and do it?

Quote from: Networks on January 27, 2004, 04:50 PM
For those advanced programmers like the vL clan and some others this probably wont be a resource for you becuase well the info and content is most likely coming from you so if you think that its a copy and paste type thing people are doing its your fault for giving out this information other wise it should be a really good resource site.

So even thought this wont be a resource at all to some people , your still asking them to waste there time and do it? why cant u just search the forum and copy and paste from there...

If all the code is already on the forum, then what is stopping you from taking this source code and organizing it instead of making somebody else do it?

Moderators:   since this is obviously not a bot development topic, but one for vL general, I don't see anything wrong with it being moved there if you wished.

Quotethe same person asking the same question 98234 times over and over again

Sounds like an awfully stupid person to me.  Perhaps that person should be shot?

But here's my opinion on this issue:
Learn how to do it, and do it your own goddamn self instead of whining that other people won't do it for you!!!

Keep in mind that I don't use multiple exclamation marks as a personal rule, so it must mean something when I do.

Anyway, I've been programming for the better part of 11 years, since I was about 9.  I taught myself basic, I taught myself visual basic, and I've taken 5 years of schooling involving various languages from VB to C++ to Java to Assembly.  I spent an entire week, 8 hours a day, reading, just to learn how to do JSP and Servlets.  If I've spent 5 years working hard to learn this, and 11 years practicing, why can't everybody else?  What's stopping ANYBODY here who asks for code for going out and learning how to program properly themselves.  If they can't go out and learn themselves, then they should go take up another hobby, like drinking.

Using the Like operator isn't hard.  Using lists isn't hard.  There's buckets of information online just waiting to be tapped, from msdn to pscode.com to Linux's man pages, but people are just too lazy to look it up themselves, they want it all done and handed to them on a nice platter without them doing any work themselves.

And that's my opinion.

Grok - You should have moved this to the Fun Forum instead

Quote from: iago on January 28, 2004, 09:13 AM
Linux's man pages

Now we all know what iago and other Linux users like to do when the door's are closed and the blinds are shut.

Quote from: Gangz on January 27, 2004, 04:03 PM
You guys take it to a whole new level I think it would do alot of good to have a site explaining Like operators, reading from text files, and blah blah blah. The basic shit that people ask for like 38905743958 times a day. It wouldn't hurt to try and eliminate annoying people. I'll give it a shot and see what happens. Ill link It up here in a week or so. Then we can really see if it any  use or not.

Damn!  Man, when I wanted to learn how to make an interactive web site, I taught myself!  When I was in high school, I spent the better part of an entire year just learning the ins and outs, every nook and cranny of JavaScript.  My pinnacle project was a client-side search engine.  The following winter break during my junior year, I learned the ASP object model and wrote an entire website for my clan.  That got me a job at a software development company, which got me my first experience with C#, leading to VB.NET (and then to classic VB) and my first forays into C++.  Since then I've taken classes for Java (cake once you know C#) and Assembly.  Now I'm not even a CS major anymore -- I'm a political science major -- but I do freelance programming work for (specifically) websites.  I'm working on learning Flash MX 2004, and while it's going slow, I'm not out every day begging people to make me a Flash website so I can reverse-engineer their work.  One of my current projects is an ASP.NET port in C# of YaBB.

I'm with iago on this one -- if you're not willing to put the time and effort into learning how to effectively use things such as the Like() operator (note that it's included in Microsoft Access queries as well), then you have no business programming.

Learn how to read the language documentation -- that is the single greatest thing you can do as a novice programmer.  Once you understand the jargon -- what an operator is, what a statement, an expression, a function vs. a method, a type, a pointer, et. al. -- then you will find it infinitely easier to find information on the web.  If you needed to find out if there was built-in support for something LIKE the Like() operator in VB, you might have started in the Language Features section of Help, then gone to the Keywords.  Lo and behold, Like is in the Keywords section for Visual Basic.  Clicking on it takes you to a nice, elaborate explanation about How to Use the Like() Operator.

Get off your lazy asses and do some work.

Obvious they touched on a chord here.  What amazed me about this is they're not even complaining that the source code isn't already written for them.  They're complaining because they have to click search and sift through the results.  D'oh?

Quote from: Grok on January 28, 2004, 08:22 PM
Obvious they touched on a chord here.  What amazed me about this is they're not even complaining that the source code isn't already written for them.  They're complaining because they have to click search and sift through the results.  D'oh?

It's like the same way that people who work for years to make a lot of money probably hate people who are born rich and have to do no work to get it.

Quote from: iago on January 28, 2004, 09:23 PM

Quote from: Grok on January 28, 2004, 08:22 PM
Obvious they touched on a chord here.  What amazed me about this is they're not even complaining that the source code isn't already written for them.  They're complaining because they have to click search and sift through the results.  D'oh?

It's like the same way that people who work for years to make a lot of money probably hate people who are born rich and have to do no work to get it.

republicans and democrats, respectively?

lol I think Grok pritty much covered my opinion...
If you really need a wake up call, consider this. Try researching, writing, re-writing when that doesn't work and then most definitly polishing all of your code so its considered atleast mildly optimized and compare the time that would take to how long it takes to search our forums. I'm not a moderator and have only visited the botdev forum a couple times on accident for a very good reason, but perhaps we just expected too much out of people? After all despite all rational thought its just far too tempting to want more once you're given a little taste. Thanks to our forums/members/website and many people who contributed to it, there is now a handful of bots out there writen by people who I wouldn't even label as programmers. Know this, the more we given, the more you'll want. The more idiot-proof things are made, the more bigger idiots emerge. You're asking far too much, but by all means, demand that several people (good job on not even volunteering yourself, btw) take their time to make a perfect reference manual on how to make a bot for you, so you can copy and paste it all togather. Change the name and go around with an anti-idle for Networks Bot? I recommend appologizing before you try to state your excuse or justify your rediculous laziness.

Quote from: Hostile on January 29, 2004, 01:28 AM
lol I think Grok pritty much covered my opinion...
If you really need a wake up call, consider this. Try researching, writing, re-writing when that doesn't work and then most definitly polishing all of your code so its considered atleast mildly optimized and compare the time that would take to how long it takes to search our forums. I'm not a moderator and have only visited the botdev forum a couple times on accident for a very good reason, but perhaps we just expected too much out of people? After all despite all rational thought its just far too tempting to want more once you're given a little taste. Thanks to our forums/members/website and many people who contributed to it, there is now a handful of bots out there writen by people who I wouldn't even label as programmers. Know this, the more we given, the more you'll want. The more idiot-proof things are made, the more bigger idiots emerge. You're asking far too much, but by all means, demand that several people (good job on not even volunteering yourself, btw) take their time to make a perfect reference manual on how to make a bot for you, so you can copy and paste it all togather. Change the name and go around with an anti-idle for Networks Bot? I recommend appologizing before you try to state your excuse or justify your rediculous laziness.

Now is this directed at someone in particular, or everyone not vL? I just feel like you were talking to me the whole time I was reading it.