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Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on August 04, 2004, 12:56 PM
I wish that I can grow up to fuck a chick in the oval office.

and ebmarrase our nation? I sure hope you never run for president  

Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on August 04, 2004, 12:56 PM
I wouldnt give any money back. I would just cut taxes for the middle and lower classes and keep the amount that the upper class pays the same.

Their tax rate is low enough! The rich are the ones with the high tax bracket. The lowest bracket is paying practically nothing. What you are proposing would not help the economy any.

Who cares what he does in the oval office? Would it have been better if she fellated him in the Roosevelt room?

What you fail to understand, is that once you are ritch enough in our country. You dont have to pay taxes anymore. There are hundreds of ways around it. A great deal of extremely wealthy people dont pay a dime in taxes.  When you are in the upper middle class or below, you are the ones paying all of the taxes for the country.

*A NOTE* Nobody is impeaching bush because he lied to get us into the war in Iraq. I would think that is a little more important than Clinton getting head from a fat chick.

Quote from: Arta[vL] on August 04, 2004, 12:47 PMThe US was not founded on religion!

Yes it was. Look at many of the laws, they were based on principals from the 10 commandments. Thomas Jefferson went through great efforts to ensure churches were around. Even if the government wasn't founded on one particular religion, religion still played a major role in the formation of the country.

Seperation of Church and State only applies when the Establishment Clause is breached, which hasn't been done during Bush's presidency as far as I know.

Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on August 04, 2004, 01:02 PM
*A NOTE* Nobody is impeaching bush because he lied to get us into the war in Iraq. I would think that is a little more important than Clinton getting head from a fat chick.

Bush acted on the information provided by the CIA, which were false, so how could it be his fault? Wouldn't it be the CIA at fault?

Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on August 04, 2004, 01:02 PM
What you fail to understand, is that once you are ritch enough in our country. You dont have to pay taxes anymore. There are hundreds of ways around it. A great deal of extremely wealthy people dont pay a dime in taxes.  When you are in the upper middle class or below, you are the ones paying all of the taxes for the country.

so writing off a business expence is a mysterious loop hole? Look show me where you got information about rich people not paying a dime of taxes. That sounds pretty darned bogus to me. Then how would the tax cuts favor the rich if they did not pay them to begin with? How come the tax cuts are helping our economy if the rich do not pay taxes? The rich do pay national income tax, because they have large taxeable incomes. Being able to set asside money in some types of non-taxeable accounts is a right to everyone, and the rich cannot use it to keep all of their income from being taxed. Giving away to charity allows people to get a tax deduction. But wait if a rich person gives everything to charity... then that means he  will not have to pay taxes, humm.

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Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on August 04, 2004, 01:02 PM
*A NOTE* Nobody is impeaching bush because he lied to get us into the war in Iraq. I would think that is a little more important than Clinton getting head from a fat chick.

Bush acted on the information provided by the CIA, which were false, so how could it be his fault? Wouldn't it be the CIA at fault?

another note ont hat, bush was not under oath either, and he was not blatently lieing to the people.

Quote from: Arta[vL] on August 04, 2004, 12:47 PM
I think that the application of a leader's religious principles in the way he or she conducts their secular activities will always be a thorny issue. For example, I'd have no objection to a religious president using their faith to guide their decisions, but I'd have a big objection to passing legislation that forces other people to conform to their leader's religious principles: EG, abortion, gay marriage.

That's almost exactly how I feel. You don't decisions without consulting your morals and beliefs, so keeping religion out of government is impossible.

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So many jews support Bush because he is strong on Israel. I did a little research and discovered that Bush wants a strong Israel, because that is where Christ is going to come back to earth.... Sounds kind of stupid but he believes it. And when Christ comes back to earth, he will rid the world of all non-protestants aka jews. He isnt supporting the jews, just his own religion. And all these bitchy jewish princesses love bush for it.  Ashcroft is an anti-semite as well.

Feanor, you better provide some facts with that, because as I see it that's outrageous and totally bullshit.

Kerry is moving to tax the upper middle class HARD.

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Yes it was. Look at many of the laws, they were based on principals from the 10 commandments. Thomas Jefferson went through great efforts to ensure churches were around. Even if the government wasn't founded on one particular religion, religion still played a major role in the formation of the country.

Not to mention that, if a non-crazy person read them, the ten commandments are actually a Good Thing.

Bush is supporting Israel because they are our only solid ally in the Middle Eastern region. Plus, they're cool.

Quote from: Stealth on August 04, 2004, 10:18 PM
Bush is supporting Israel because they are our only solid ally in the Middle Eastern region. Plus, they're cool.

Israel and America are two of the most liberal nations in the world. Israel is one of our stronger allies, Israels primary religion is Judism, Bush is a Nazi.

My, don't the liberals have a good argument?

Quote from: Stealth on August 04, 2004, 10:18 PM
Bush is supporting Israel because they are our only solid ally in the Middle Eastern region. Plus, they're cool.

Brown noser.

Quote from: DaRk-FeAnOr on August 04, 2004, 01:02 PM
What you fail to understand, is that once you are ritch enough in our country. You dont have to pay taxes anymore. There are hundreds of ways around it. A great deal of extremely wealthy people dont pay a dime in taxes.  When you are in the upper middle class or below, you are the ones paying all of the taxes for the country.

I beg to differ. Allow me to rehash some data I used on StealthBot.net yesterday:

Who really pays our nation's taxes?

Top 1%, making $313,469 yearly or above, pay 36.7% of the country's taxes.
Top 5%, making $128,336 yearly or more, pay 56% of the country's taxes.
Top 10%, making $92,144 yearly or more, pay 67% of the country's taxes.
Top 25%, making $55,225 yearly or more, pay 84% of the country's taxes.
The top 50%, which includes everyone who makes more than $27,682 yearly, pays a staggering 96.1 percent of America's taxes.

The remaining 50%, those who make less than $27,682 yearly, weigh in at the remaining 3.9%.

What does this tell us? 50%, the rich and middle class people, are shouldering 96% of the country's tax burden. Everyone below them accounts for just 4% of the nation's tax revenue.

So among that 96%, the "middle class", which I would consider to be people who make less than (for argument's sake) $92,144 yearly, is paying the difference between 67 and 84%.

Let's break that down again:

Class / Percentage of taxes
50% OF PEOPLE: LOWER CLASS (< 27,682 yearly):   3.91% OF TAXES
40% OF PEOPLE: MIDDLE CLASS (27,682 - 92,144):  28.76% OF TAXES
10% OF PEOPLE: UPPER CLASS (>92,144 yearly):  67.33% OF TAXES

That seems like a damned fair distribution to me.

Stealth, congrats, you just owned everyone.

+1, if we still had karma.