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On July 16, 2003, I took the red pill.  For years I have just accepted and believed that my personal labor was taxable income.  For years I have filled out my tax return and listed that labor as taxable, and thus assessed myself for taxes that are not taxable by law.

The government just lets us do it, and they happiliy spend the money.

Amazing.  Well, not my labor income, anymore.  I am no longer paying taxes on my labor income, until the day it becomes a law.

Yeah, but just watch. You're going to start getting those automated phone messages from George Bush during dinner time now.

They don't tax you for things you do on the net right? Is that what you are referring to?

Congrats at any rate.

Personal Wages and Income tax.  As it turns out, there is no legal requirement to pay federal taxes on the money I earn from my personal labor.  That which they call the "federal income tax", which I previously paid at the rate of 28% per year, believing it was my legal duty, is a complete sham.

No law says I have to pay such a thing.  So as of July 16th, my eyes were opened and my income was freed.

Ok I'm sorry I'm still confused. By personal labour do you mean construction or jobs you take on as a side... I don't live in the U.S but I'm sure Canada is the same.

Yes, most people's initial reaction is complete confusion because they have always accepted as fact, incorrectly, that they are legally required to pay taxes on the wages they are paid for their own labor.

That was my own reaction, confusion, denial, astonishment that anyone could think or suggest that it is not the case.

However, in the United States, the law does not consider the pay you receive for your labor to be income, and thus, you do not have to report it as income.  If you do report it as income, you then are assessing yourself a tax liability, and of course must pay taxes on that assessment.  If you correctly do not report it as income, there can be no assessment against that amount.

Try telling that to Tony Blair.
Damn 40% tax rate.  

+1 for Gork

The IRS would disagree about your thoughts  

No, they know it is correct.  They just don't like to admit it.  Everyone who knows the law and realizes the truth is escorted out of the IRS audits and you never hear from them again.

I'm curious as to where you got this from as well as legal references to support this.

If the money you are paid for your personal labor is not income, then what is?

Income is basically money you get without actually directly or physically inputting. I think what Grok's doing is some kind of loophole of wording that technically doesn't make you liable to pay taxes that the government may have been intending you to pay. But anyway, Grok's right. If he found a way not to have to pay a tax, good for him.   The government steals plenty. Why not keep some of our tax money for ourselves instead of letting it be potentially stolen by greedy politician?  

Quote from: Thing on July 21, 2003, 07:42 PM
If the money you are paid for your personal labor is not income, then what is?

The courts have upheld that your labor is your property.  When you sell your property, say to an employer, at an agreed upon rate, and they pay you that rate, then there is no profit, and thus no income.

I'll post links soon.  But 68 million Americans no longer file income tax returns or pay taxes.  If you're one of the people who still do, you'll want to pay attention to the webs I post.

One of them is http://www.givemeliberty.org

Good reading.  Enjoy.

Grok, with the money you save, buy a Playstation 2 and NCAA Football 2004 and play online with me!