At least 7 of the 9/11 Hijackers are Still Alive

[DarkMinion]

For example, the lack of wreckage around the pentagon, and as that site mentions, the strangely low numbers of passengers aboard the hijacked planes

Believe me, I know someone who was at the pentagon that day...that person happens to be in vL as well...

And, low passenger numbers on airliners is not an uncommon happenstance...trust me I fly a ton.  I've been on alot of flights with only a handful of people.

[dxoigmn]

And, low passenger numbers on airliners is not an uncommon happenstance...trust me I fly a ton.  I've been on alot of flights with only a handful of people.

Especially for a long haul flight (Boston -> LA) on a Tuesday. I frequently fly out of Logan going back to LA via AmericaWest and usually try to during the middle of the week when it is less crowded and thus more leg room for me. Was scary when I figured out that I was flying out of the same airport where the terrorists flew out of and a similar route but not the same carrier. :\

[Blaze]

I think Caboose made that page.

Oh, good. For a moment, I thought that was me, because, I am blue, and I like to sleep. But, if he is dead, then that cannot be me. That would be silly.

Yeah, he is just as funny and as stupid as that page.

[dxoigmn]

Are you one of those people who would rather be dead than lose minor freedoms?

Say that to all the people who died in the revolutionary war or iraqi war, I'm sure they'd appreciated it.

[DarkMinion]

People that think terrorism was caused by the war in iraq crack me up

[Arta]

Not all terrorism, obiously. This (London) particular instance of terrorism, however, is highly likely to be because of Iraq.

[hismajesty]

Not all terrorism, obiously. This (London) particular instance of terrorism, however, is highly likely to be because of Iraq.

It would have probably happened either way. The UK is certainly a strong ally of the US, and a Christian nation. These people are after Christians, plain and simple. It's a war fueled by religous hate.

The USA PATRIOT Act (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act of 2001)1 (U.S. H.R. 3162, S. 1510, Public Law 107-56) is an act of federal legislation in the United States.

Enacted by the U.S. Congress after the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks, the act enhances the authority of U.S. law enforcement for the purported intention of investigating and preempting potential terrorism. Because the USA PATRIOT Act is a revision of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), this enhanced legal authority is also used to detect and prosecute other alleged potential crimes. Expanding on FISA, the USA Act defines terrorism as an activity that meets all of the following three criteria:

1. It intimidates or coerces the government or civil population
2.It breaks criminal laws
3. It endangers human life.
This definition is adopted in the USA PATRIOT Act. Critics claim the Act is unnecessary and enables U.S. law enforcement to infringe upon free-speech, freedom of the press, human rights, and right to privacy. It is most controversial among critics for its section 216, which allows judges to grant government investigators ex parte orders to look into personal phone and internet records on the basis of being "relevant for an on going investigation", rather than probable cause as outlined in the fourth amendment. [1]

The bill passed 98–1 in the United States Senate, and 357–66 in the United States House of Representatives; Senator Russ Feingold (Democrat, Wisconsin) cast the Senate's lone dissenting vote. President George W. Bush signed the bill into law on October 26, 2001. Assistant attorney general Viet D. Dinh was the chief architect of the act.

[DarkMinion]

This (London) particular instance of terrorism, however, is highly likely to be because of Iraq.

I doubt it, at least not directly.

[CrAz3D]

Are you one of those people who would rather be dead than lose minor freedoms?

I am, there is no point to live if you can't live freely

[Topaz]

The people in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War were oppressed, kept to curfews, stolen from, and highly taxed. This is no comparison to losing minor freedoms; I'm just making the point that few of you have the right to cry injustice when the government steps up to protect you.

[Topaz]

The problem I see with the patriot act isn't the powers themselves - although those are worrying -- it's the lack of oversight. Its secrecy provisions mean that, actually, they could think "Let's go hax0r someone", and you'd never know about it. In fact, we can't know if the patriot act is being abused or not. We don't know how successful it actually is. Nor do we know how often it is used mistakenly - because of the lack of oversight. All you can know is what the government choose to, and they have a vested interest in making sure that it has a good reputation, and not a bad one.

Thus, it is bad. The trade-off of not knowing anything about its application -- the lack of accountability -- is not worth the security it provides. NO security is worth having when the trade-off is having a government that is unaccountable to its citizens.

I felt I had to make a second post - Hold your representatives and the senators that you are, in part, responsible for appointing to knowing what the Patriot Act is going to be used for. The government is made up of people, and are prone to human-related errors and ideals.