Bus Etiquette

[iago]

Heh, it's no fair that you've seen it, I didn't want to go into the whole "repeating days" thing, and the "killing him without damaging his heart thing."  Oh well, the point is, the fact that the clerk murdered the man also murdered his little daughter.

[Kp]

Heh, it's no fair that you've seen it, I didn't want to go into the whole "repeating days" thing, and the "killing him without damaging his heart thing."  Oh well, the point is, the fact that the clerk murdered the man also murdered his little daughter.

So would you also agree with the statement that anyone who kills (for any cause) in such a way as to deny viable organs to a needy recipient is guilty of murdering that recipient if said individual dies from lack of transplant?  Further, would it be murder to preserve the life of a healthy donor, thus denying his/her spare parts to the needy?

[Grok]

Since the store owner shot the heart donor, effectively murdering the innocent daughter, he should be tried for manslaughter.

eh?  The heart donor didn't even know he was going to be a heart donor until he was about dead on the last pass through the day!  If he didn't know, how could anyone else have known?  For that matter, would you propose that anyone who causes a death which destroys otherwise donatable organs is guilty of causing the deaths of the people who would be saved by those organs?

Hmm I'm sure we had the whole suicide is illegal discussion with Telos already.  Not knowing that you're killing someone just makes it manslaughter instead of murder.  Murder requires premeditation and intent.  If you're flying down the road and close your eyes, your car veers onto the sidewalk and kills someone, that's manslaughter.  You didn't know you were going to kill them, and they didn't know they were going to be heart donors if they died of decapitation instead of getting run over by your car, squashing their chest and making their heart useless.

What about if an individual prolonged the life of a perfectly good donor, thereby depriving the needy of those organs because the original owner was still using them?

OK sounds good to me.  Now that we have a plan, let's submit a bill to Congress so they can write the law.

[iago]

Hmm, thousands, even millions of stupid useless ignorant people are depriving sick people of their organs and should be killed off.