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Chemical Reaction Balancing

Started by UserLoser., February 29, 2004, 10:41 AM

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UserLoser.

On my chemistry homework there's an equation on there that we can do for extra credit -- The teacher said that she never was able to figure it out, but was sure it was possible.. Can anyone here figure it out?

(I hope this is the right one, I'm not exactly sure what number she said it was)

PBr3 + H2O --> HBr + H3PO4

j0k3r

#1
Quote from: UserLoser. on February 29, 2004, 10:41 AM
On my chemistry homework there's an equation on there that we can do for extra credit -- The teacher said that she never was able to figure it out, but was sure it was possible.. Can anyone here figure it out?

(I hope this is the right one, I'm not exactly sure what number she said it was)

PBr3 + H2O --> HBr + H3PO4
Maybe I've just forgotten how to do this since I haven't taken it in over a year, but shouldn't there be 3 bromines on the right side of the equation too?

[edit]and only 1 hydrogen on the right, and 1 oxygen?[/edit]
QuoteAnyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin
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Adron

PBr3 + H2O --> HBr + H3PO4


x * PBr3 + y * H2O --> a * HBr + b * H3PO4



P: x = b
Br: 3x = a
H: 2y = a + 3b
O: y = 4b

Solution:

Set b = x, a = 3x:
2y = a + 3b = 3x + 3x => y = 3x
y = 4b = 4x => y = 4x

Conclusion:

The equation lacks a solution; the formula is incorrect

UserLoser.

Quote from: Adron on February 29, 2004, 12:20 PM
PBr3 + H2O --> HBr + H3PO4


x * PBr3 + y * H2O --> a * HBr + b * H3PO4



P: x = b
Br: 3x = a
H: 2y = a + 3b
O: y = 4b

Solution:

Set b = x, a = 3x:
2y = a + 3b = 3x + 3x => y = 3x
y = 4b = 4x => y = 4x

Conclusion:

The equation lacks a solution; the formula is incorrect


I've never seen an equation done that way :P, but I'll take what you said and go with the formula is incorrect

SNiFFeR

#4
*I think*
PBr3 + H2O4 --> H2Br3 + H3PO4

P:1
Br:3
H:2
O:4

Something like that, that was like two chapters ago, I was absent for that you just count how many numbers are before the elements.

j0k3r

Quote from: UserLoser. on February 29, 2004, 10:41 AM
On my chemistry homework there's an equation on there that we can do for extra credit -- The teacher said that she never was able to figure it out, but was sure it was possible.. Can anyone here figure it out?

(I hope this is the right one, I'm not exactly sure what number she said it was)

PBr3 + H2O --> HBr + H3PO4
Just went over it in class today. This is double displacement.

PBr3 + H2O --> PO + HBr

The metal in the first compound bonds with the non-metal in the second compound and the metal in the second compound bonds with the non-metal in the first...

However, you can try balancing it but Phosphorous and Bromine are both non-metals, hence should not be able to bond... It doesn't look possible.
QuoteAnyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin
John Vo

K

Quote from: j0k3r on March 01, 2004, 03:53 PM
Quote from: UserLoser. on February 29, 2004, 10:41 AM
On my chemistry homework there's an equation on there that we can do for extra credit -- The teacher said that she never was able to figure it out, but was sure it was possible.. Can anyone here figure it out?

(I hope this is the right one, I'm not exactly sure what number she said it was)

PBr3 + H2O --> HBr + H3PO4
Just went over it in class today. This is double displacement.

PBr3 + H2O --> PO + HBr

The metal in the first compound bonds with the non-metal in the second compound and the metal in the second compound bonds with the non-metal in the first...

However, you can try balancing it but Phosphorous and Bromine are both non-metals, hence should not be able to bond... It doesn't look possible.

Non metals can bond via covalent bonding.  

j0k3r

DAMN IT. Well I guess I'll respond again in a couple days if the solution hasn't been found.
QuoteAnyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin
John Vo

Banana fanna fo fanna

You've probably only covered ionic stuff, right?

j0k3r

Well I suppose that's all she could fit into the day's lesson plan or we would have covered covalent too  :o

This chem teacher pushes to learn so much, every day we learn for an hour and 20 minutes and the periods are only an hour and 15 minutes, don't ask how I have yet to figure it out.
QuoteAnyone attempting to generate random numbers by deterministic means is, of course, living in a state of sin
John Vo

Eibro

If it's a redox reaction (really, i'm too lazy to check) you can balance both half-reactions (adding H3O+/OH- ions to either side) and cancel common terms. At first glance it seems like H2O is the oxidizing agent, and P is the reducing agent. *shrug*
Eibro of Yeti Lovers.

iago

Quote from: Eibro on March 01, 2004, 10:17 PM
If it's a redox reaction (really, i'm too lazy to check) you can balance both half-reactions (adding H3O+/OH- ions to either side) and cancel common terms. At first glance it seems like H2O is the oxidizing agent, and P is the reducing agent. *shrug*

*Has horrible memories of AP Chemistry*
This'll make an interesting test for broken AV:
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R.a.B.B.i.T

Quote from: iago on March 02, 2004, 08:29 AM
Quote from: Eibro on March 01, 2004, 10:17 PM
If it's a redox reaction (really, i'm too lazy to check) you can balance both half-reactions (adding H3O+/OH- ions to either side) and cancel common terms. At first glance it seems like H2O is the oxidizing agent, and P is the reducing agent. *shrug*

*Has horrible memories of AP Chemistry*
If I remembered chemistry, I'd answer this.  I also dislike the subject.

Anyway, I think the AM has to be equal on both sides?

Mr. Neo