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Title: Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Yoni on August 15, 2004, 12:31 PM
Yeah, he rocks. But everyone should cut the worshipping. Euler is way cooler.

Today, "Einstein" is a synonym of "genius". Mention the name of Euler to the average person, though, and you will get blank stares.

Euler > Einstein.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Soul Taker on August 15, 2004, 04:23 PM
Who????

</troll>
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Maddox on August 15, 2004, 04:32 PM
Ken Jennings > Euler
Ken Jennings > google
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: iago on August 15, 2004, 10:02 PM
It pisses me off when people say "euler" wrong.  It's pronounced OILER.  OILER!!
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Eli_1 on August 16, 2004, 05:31 AM
You-Ler > OILER
Eye-A-Go > iago

I rule at pronouncing everything wrong.   :'(
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Meh on August 16, 2004, 05:57 AM
Quote from: Eli_1 on August 16, 2004, 05:31 AM
You-Ler > OILER
Eye-A-Go > iago

I rule at pronouncing everything wrong.   :'(
I always say Ya-Go --> iago. Im welsh and my name in welsh is iago!
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Yoni on August 16, 2004, 05:00 PM
Quote from: iago on August 15, 2004, 10:02 PM
It pisses me off when people say "euler" wrong.  It's pronounced OILER.  OILER!!
Thank you. You win 5 Yoni Points.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Balistik on August 16, 2004, 05:27 PM
I - Go

:)

Einstein isn't that great .. I mean what exactly did he do anyways?!

*Kidding*

No actually I have no clue what Einstein is famous for

e=mc2 woo hoo
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: ChR0NiC on August 16, 2004, 05:50 PM
He did stuff with Germany regarding nuclear things.

Wow I don't know **** all about him :'(
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Yoni on August 16, 2004, 06:00 PM
In 1905, Einstein published three articles.
One was his explanation for the photoelectric effect.
One was about special relativity.
And one more, that I forgot what it was about.

The special relativity article was the major breakthrough, but he won his Nobel prize for the photoelectric effect explanation (apparently, the Nobel prize awarders recognized the importance  of the special relativity, but felt reluctant to give a Nobel prize for something that they didn't understand).

Euler, who lived in the 18th century, is the most productive mathematician who ever lived. He wrote over 800 articles. Much of his work was done after he became blind (first in one eye, later in the other) - his phenomenal memory, with an ability to make calculations of 50 figures after the decimal in his head, helped him continue his work on mathematics.

In every branch of mathematics (except, possibly, Euclidean geometry, which is practically the same now as it was in 300 B.C.), you may encounter Euler's footprint. You will see functions, constants, variables, theorems, notations and the like named after Euler in calculus, number theory, statistics, computer science(*), etc.

"He calculated just as men breathe, as eagles sustain themselves in the air." - François Arago

(*) Computer science is a branch of mathematics (if you wish to disagree, please do so in a new thread, preferably started in the Trash Can). One of the subjects in computer science is Graph Theory. Graph Theory was essentially invented by Euler.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: ChR0NiC on August 17, 2004, 12:33 AM
Quote from: Yoni on August 16, 2004, 06:00 PM
In 1905, Einstein published three articles.
One was his explanation for the photoelectric effect.
One was about special relativity.
And one more, that I forgot what it was about.

The special relativity article was the major breakthrough, but he won his Nobel prize for the photoelectric effect explanation (apparently, the Nobel prize awarders recognized the importance  of the special relativity, but felt reluctant to give a Nobel prize for something that they didn't understand).

Euler, who lived in the 18th century, is the most productive mathematician who ever lived. He wrote over 800 articles. Much of his work was done after he became blind (first in one eye, later in the other) - his phenomenal memory, with an ability to make calculations of 50 figures after the decimal in his head, helped him continue his work on mathematics.

In every branch of mathematics (except, possibly, Euclidean geometry, which is practically the same now as it was in 300 B.C.), you may encounter Euler's footprint. You will see functions, constants, variables, theorems, notations and the like named after Euler in calculus, number theory, statistics, computer science(*), etc.

"He calculated just as men breathe, as eagles sustain themselves in the air." - François Arago

(*) Computer science is a branch of mathematics (if you wish to disagree, please do so in a new thread, preferably started in the Trash Can). One of the subjects in computer science is Graph Theory. Graph Theory was essentially invented by Euler.

Thanks for the history lesson Yoni, I feel smarter already :)
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: j0k3r on August 17, 2004, 06:15 AM
The reason he is overrated is because he is the most publicized. I have never heard of Euler outside of some conversations.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Yoni on August 17, 2004, 04:10 PM
Quote from: j0k3r on August 17, 2004, 06:15 AM
The reason he is overrated is because he is the most publicized. I have never heard of Euler outside of some conversations.
That, or because he lived more recently. I wonder if Euler had similar fame in the 18th-early 19th century.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Soul Taker on August 17, 2004, 07:32 PM
Quote from: Yoni on August 17, 2004, 04:10 PM
Quote from: j0k3r on August 17, 2004, 06:15 AM
The reason he is overrated is because he is the most publicized. I have never heard of Euler outside of some conversations.
That, or because he lived more recently. I wonder if Euler had similar fame in the 18th-early 19th century.
I hope not.  Euler SUCKS!!!! (sucked?  Oh well, you get point)
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: jigsaw on August 21, 2004, 12:09 PM
Euler is great. So is Mr E=MC^2.  But who cares, these guys didnt make any money... I'll tell you who kicks ass, the guy that marries paris hilton.... You get a hot wife, who loves to make videos.. lots of cash for whatever she wants..... and then you can spend all day revolutionizing mathematics.. until then concentrate on getting hot rich girls.. it's waaaay more fun too.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: jigsaw on August 21, 2004, 12:10 PM
*side note*
some of my best engineering ideas and concepts popped into my head between 5 and 7 minutes before and after having massive orgasms... so put that into perspective.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Rule on August 21, 2004, 02:13 PM
Quote from: Yoni on August 16, 2004, 06:00 PM
In 1905, Einstein published three articles.
One was his explanation for the photoelectric effect.
One was about special relativity.
And one more, that I forgot what it was about.

Yoni, I may agree that Einstein is too much of a scientific celebrity considering how unknown some other very good scientists are.  However, you are underestimating his contributions - Einstein's work has been far more groundbreaking than Euler's.  

I agree that Euler was VERY productive and published many papers.  The effect of these individual papers, however, does not even come close to equaling the effect of Einstein's publications.  

You are forgetting Einstein's most important and famous contribution to physics - the theory of General Relativity.

The field of physics was at a stand-still before Einstein's contributions (only a few strange phenomenon were left to be discovered).  Einstein's theories to explain those phenomenon opened up new branches of physics and put the then sacrosanct laws of Classical Physics into question.  

A number of people have the intuitive idea (some would argue misconception) that many respectable accomplishments are equal to or greater than a few extraordinary ones.  It is the extraordinary (and revolutionary) accomplishments that result in scientific celebrities.  

Certainly among educated people, Newton, Socrates and others who came up with similarily profound and creative ideas have equal or greater status than Einstein.  You could argue that Niels Bohr and others might be more of a celebrity like Einstein if they had the eccentric appearence that he possessed.  

Einstein has been chosen as a "poster-boy" for science, and because of this, is overrated (people respect him without knowing his accomplishments).

It is quite obvious that his accomplishments had a profound effect on science, (more so than Euler's).  That doesn't mean Einstein was "smarter," there are many other factors that help account for his celebrity over Euler: the time in which he lived, and that he wasn't a pure mathematician like Euler.

Regardless of his "poster-boy" status, it follows that Einstein is rightfully more of a scientific celebrity than Euler, based on the nature of his work.




Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: jigsaw on August 21, 2004, 03:52 PM
Cuz stone cold said so!
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: j0k3r on August 21, 2004, 04:06 PM
Quote from: jigsaw on August 21, 2004, 12:10 PM
*side note*
some of my best engineering ideas and concepts popped into my head between 5 and 7 minutes before and after having massive orgasms... so put that into perspective.
I read about that once, for about 10minutes after sex is when guys can think the most clearly.

On a side note, ew.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: muert0 on August 21, 2004, 04:59 PM
Sex makes you say ewww? Or Einstein makes you say ewww? I really hope it's Einstein...
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Soul Taker on August 22, 2004, 02:48 AM
Quote from: muert0 on August 21, 2004, 04:59 PM
Sex makes you say ewww? Or Einstein makes you say ewww? I really hope it's Einstein...
I'm going to bet it's thinking about jigsaw having a "massive orgasm" that made him say ew.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Newby on August 22, 2004, 02:51 AM
Haha. Our Geometry teacher went over Euler a lot.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: K on August 22, 2004, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 22, 2004, 02:51 AM
Haha. Our Geometry teacher went over Euler a lot.

My geometry teacher dressed up as the ghost of Euler for halloween.

This guy had more than one screw loose.
Title: Re:Albert Einstein: The all time most overrated genius.
Post by: Yoni on August 22, 2004, 11:29 AM
Quote from: K on August 22, 2004, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 22, 2004, 02:51 AM
Haha. Our Geometry teacher went over Euler a lot.

My geometry teacher dressed up as the ghost of Euler for halloween.

This guy had more than one screw loose.
Your teachers rock. If my HS level math teacher hadn't been God's personal math teacher (which he happened to be), I would have been jealous.